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Post by annabelleleigh on Aug 19, 2008 19:11:39 GMT -5
So, who is Carter? Nikki, I think everyone is referring to ADA Ron Carver, played deliciously by the acerbic and elegant Courtney B. Vance in the first five CI seasons. His character supplied the legal perspective for the show, and many -- including me -- sorely miss him. AL
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Post by nosee on Aug 19, 2008 22:23:57 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sorry. I misspelled. I meant Carver not Carter. I didn't catch it. I'm sorry if I confused you.
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Post by Techguy on Aug 20, 2008 2:04:20 GMT -5
Not to tread too far into the gutter, but I already mentioned "foreplay" on the Presidential election thread so I'm entitled to a little slack (no pun intended).
This episode suffers from the writing equivalent of male ED--lots of arousal, excitement, and buildup but no satisfying payoff. A writer's dose of Cialis, Levitra, or Viagra would have helped bring this story and Mikey's exit to *ahem*...conclusion. Where's Dr. Ruth when you need her?
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Post by Moonbeam on Aug 20, 2008 8:07:42 GMT -5
You summed it up Techguy.
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Post by Metella on Aug 20, 2008 8:08:18 GMT -5
HA !!!
Crude but right on target - an episode that didn't deliver what was whispered to us ...
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Post by tere on Aug 20, 2008 9:10:06 GMT -5
An excellent episode, possibly the best of the season. Certainly one I immediately wanted to watch again - and that hasn't happened often enough this season.
To me, the best moment was the scene where Logan said "we believe you." I even liked the ending. Leight said that Logan would go out swinging - and he did. The door swinging shut behind him emphasized that. It was old style L&O.
In Logan's finale on the original series, he hit the politician in his last scene. "Pride" ended with McCoy speculating that Logan would end up "walking a beat in Staten Island" but I don't remember any further mention in the series of what happened to him until the movie "Exile." (Although, as I recall, there was a mention of Logan between McCoy and Cragen in an early SVU.)
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Post by dragonsback on Aug 20, 2008 9:48:41 GMT -5
I even liked the ending. Leight said that Logan would go out swinging - and he did. The door swinging shut behind him emphasized that. It was old style L&O.In Logan's finale on the original series, he hit the politician in his last scene. "Pride" ended with McCoy speculating that Logan would end up "walking a beat in Staten Island" IWhat a superb take, tere. I thought I was the lone holdout on liking the ending , The swinging doors, the oblique open-endedness, was wonderfully ambiguous - better than ambiguous, elegantly wrought. You've just explained my vague functioning awareness that this was classic mothership.
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Post by outerbankschick on Aug 20, 2008 20:38:16 GMT -5
I liked this episode especially because it stayed true to Mike Logan. Mike is still Mike, and always will be. His dogged pursuit of the truth in this one, and going up against Ross, politicking, and the ADA had me thinking that for once it wasn't only Goren who was the champion of truth at all costs.
The scene between Wheeler, Logan and Nichols, when Logan told him that they believed him was superb. Nichols reaction was so right . . .so real. . .I was nearly in tears myself. The absolute relief in his eyes when he realized that finally, someone believed him.
I didn't mind the ending being a little "open", though I do hope that we get a satisfactory explanation of Logan's whereabouts in the first Wheeler episode of Season 8. I don't want it to be like Barak (out of sight, out of mind, no mention of where she went). There was only one brief moment where Ross joked with Logan about getting Barak back and her whereabouts were never expounded on. Lame, IMO. At least let us know what happened to her. Like Carver. No explanations. Just no ADA's, and Carver's just gone.
Anyway, off my soapbox. I thought the episode was a solid one and once again L&O dealt with the sticky issue of the confession. Even a deathbed confession is granted the same confidentiality, which surprised me. The priest was consistent throughout, and stuck to his beliefs. And I liked that Mike apologized to him for ranting. Mike was just pissed at everyone and everything here and he tossed all his arrows at the most convenient target. I like that he realized that and apologized for it.
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Post by Metella on Aug 21, 2008 9:42:05 GMT -5
Yeah - at least the Mike character got to stay pretty consistant and true to itself - it progressed and grew - but was the same "mike" and this is exactly what did NOT happen with goren and why I have missed all but 2 goren episodes this season.
yeah, I didn't realize a death bed confession would hold so strong either. I kinda liked the priest & wouldn't mind him in a few episodes throughout the season
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Post by deathroe on Aug 21, 2008 16:27:35 GMT -5
One issue I'd forgotten is that something similar happens to B & S on SVU--interaction with an old criminal on his deathbed. Can't recall the episode name but suspect it was recent.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Aug 21, 2008 16:33:30 GMT -5
Deathroe, are you referring to the one with Brian Dennehy, "Scheherazade"? ETA: Sorry, Nosee. No need for you to apologize. I was just trying to be facetious. AL, I miss CBV and Carver, too.
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Post by deathroe on Aug 21, 2008 16:58:17 GMT -5
Yes, "Scheherezade" is exactly right. Thanks I feel like SVU is a sort of a 1001 nights, actually, always the same stories, on on the USA network all the time ...
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Post by djcifan on Aug 22, 2008 4:27:57 GMT -5
I finally saw all of this episode on the Wednesday night rerun, and I was rather surprised at how much I really enjoyed it It's been interesting to me that while the writers have given so much angst and upheaval to VDO's character, Noth has had a series of episodes that has quietly revealed the disappointments and erosion of 'faith' of an experienced detective. I think Noth has really done a great job in crafting this character over so many years. But here, the priest as the instigator of the investigation which ties to his Catholic upbringing, (and linked to Lennie!) the senselessness of the death of the pregnant wife, the realization that it turned out to be a family member, the steady investigation of the case - I was held through the entire episode.
I didn't mind the ambiguity of the ending at all - I saw a man once again forced to reevaluate his life. He's gone from a young hothead so many years ago to an adult who is outstanding in his field but faced with the fact that there's no one at home for him. He has no wife or children, but solved the murder of a young couple who never had the chance to see their daughter grow up. Although I love VDO and began watching the show on the first episode for him, I will truly miss Chris Noth.
But I remain continually disappointed in the Wheeler character - for me, she has simply become a talking head for Noth to interact with. I barely even saw her LOL - I was too focused on Logan and the story line. The point where her fiance was arrested, I was like, what, oh, whatever, get back to Logan please. Perhaps next year I will warm up to her with the switch to Goldblum.
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Post by deathroe on Aug 22, 2008 5:14:54 GMT -5
SarahIvy, I suppose that might narrow the list of body bag candidates .. unless there's something else about Nicole we don't know. Maybe that's the shocker! note: Patcat is going to have to head a few miles South and get THIS:
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Post by Patcat on Aug 22, 2008 7:56:55 GMT -5
Ah--the Louisville Bat Company! I have a small (about the size of a billy club) Louisville Bat with my name on it that some friends got for me when they visited Louisville. It is NOT the ASP Bat, which I'm ready to give up with recent revelations.
Patcat
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