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Post by ragincajun on Dec 7, 2008 12:58:40 GMT -5
I always found they find Ken too easy in this one. Also Ken kills the girl to get the other guy to focus, but if he would have just left her alone, he probably would have never got caught, at least not by Goren and Eames. Also when Goren noticed someone had been at his desk, what was that red and white pack, was it a pack of cigarettes?
Does Ken Harris really "Blink"?
I guess in this sense it means to show fear, and at the end he is scared for his safety. Does Ken care for his wife and child? Is he capable of love?
No, he only cares for his own needs, and that his wife cares for him Kerry Harris obviously knows some of what her husband is up to. Why does she go along with his plans? And why does he allow him to take their son with them? Does she know he's a murderer? Does she think him capable of murder?
I don't think she knows about the murder, and I don't think she lets him take the son alone? Wasn't she with him. Is this Ken's first murder?
I think so.
Does Ken underestimate Goren and Eames?
Yes, but he also over estimates himself Does Ken realize that other people don't experience fear?
I don't think ken even considers what other people feel.Why does Kerry's abandonment cause Ken to collapse?
Yes, she was his anchor.
What will happen to Kerry and her son?
If Kerry isn't charged for something, she will have to work to support maybe even go in witness protection, but if she is charged, since she knew about the gambling scam, the child might go into foster care or to a family member. What is going on with Major Case Squad's security?
I wonder. What does this episode tell us about Bobby?
He has excelent memory, I don't think I would remember so much about my desk, lol. Is Bobby really afraid of heights? What is Bobby afraid of?
I don't think so, but we have seen him werry of elevators, small ones. Did Frank come to his father's funeral?
I think so, and I think he brought the date.
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Post by quietfireca on Dec 7, 2008 15:12:09 GMT -5
Did Frank come to his father's funeral? I think so, and I think he brought the date.Oh, this makes perfect sense, ragin!!!! Love it!
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Post by DonnaJo on Dec 7, 2008 15:28:34 GMT -5
leononme, I totally agree with you about how the risk of Bobby almost falling off the building wasn't worth seeing into Ken's head. What if Ken hadn't pulled Bobby in? Or as you say, pushed him off? Perhaps Bobby had a better grasp on the column of that building than it looks?
Ragin, you reminded me of that desk scene. I mean, who remembers where they put their post it notes?
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Post by leanonme on Dec 7, 2008 15:53:31 GMT -5
I always found they find Ken too easy in this one. Also Ken kills the girl to get the other guy to focus, but if he would have just left her alone, he probably would have never got caught, at least not by Goren and Eames. Also when Goren noticed someone had been at his desk, what was that red and white pack, was it a pack of cigarettes Did Frank come to his father's funeral? I think so, and I think he brought the date.Ragin, awesome call on Frank. I never considered that. I was wondering why that man would have had the idea that Bobby brought someone to the funeral. We spent spent some time in my house looking at that red and white pack, and no one could figure it out. I thought maybe it was poker chips, since they were dealing with gambling, but really, I have no idea. Also, I was wondering why Goren and Eames were called in to this in the first place. At first, it was just a random murder wasn't it?
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Post by leanonme on Dec 7, 2008 15:58:21 GMT -5
leononme, I totally agree with you about how the risk of Bobby almost falling off the building wasn't worth seeing into Ken's head. What if Ken hadn't pulled Bobby in? Or as you say, pushed him off? Perhaps Bobby had a better grasp on the column of that building than it looks? Ragin, you reminded me of that desk scene. I mean, who remembers where they put their post it notes? Well, thank you for that. I was thinking of this right before bed, and dreamed I fell off a tall building! And yes, I had that thought about the desk, he remembered everything! Not unusual for Bobby, but for me- yes!
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Post by leanonme on Dec 7, 2008 17:15:38 GMT -5
Well, I am really grateful for all who are willing to discuss this. I know that these episodes are old for you all, but this is all new and really exciting to me so I appreciate the chance to share it with you!
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Does Ken Harris really "Blink"?
Well, it definately was just a blink, I mean, no more than that.
Does Ken care for his wife and child? Is he capable of love?
No, Ken cares for himself. His wife and child are there to feed the story he tells himself. More people for him to use for his purpose.
Kerry Harris obviously knows some of what her husband is up to. Why does she go along with his plans? And why does he allow him to take their son with them? Does she know he's a murderer? Does she think him capable of murder?
Well, people have done stranger things for love. I am sure that Ken was charming, in fact, in the kitchen, when she tries to get him to stop, he sort of gives her a look that shows she is weak to his charisma. I am quite sure she kept herself in the dark about the fact that he was a murderer. She had to be minimizing his potential for evil to stay with him. She was in some kind of dream world about having a family. She kept thinking he would change.
Is this Ken's first murder?
Who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't. Also, he was slowly emotionally murdering his wife. She let him, but he was none the less.
Does Ken underestimate Goren and Eames?
Yes, in fact, he calls them clowns- especially Goren.
Does Ken realize that other people don't experience fear?
Well, he was certainly told. One of the things that stood out to me in this episode was the fact that everyone was telling Ken that he was different from them. I am sure he didn't care. He probably thought his lack of fear made him special. Or it gave him one more reason to dismiss those around him. actually, he tells Bobby that not having fear is a gift that makes him able to do things others can't do.
Why does Kerry's abandonment cause Ken to collapse?
I get the sense that Ken was somehow feeding off of Kerry's love for him- in a predatory way. So, in a sense, his "fuel" was pulled out from under him.
What will happen to Kerry and her son?
Well, lets hope that Kerry gets some serious therapy!!! But this was one thing I wanted to talk about... Bobby telling Kerry that her son was really active- like his father. God help that woman if she ends up with a son like his father! I don't know if Bobby was just trying to unnerve her, but that thought is awful!
What is going on with Major Case Squad's security?
Ok, yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I mean, it is one thing for the guy to get into the building, but quite another for them to let him go through Goren's desk! Especially when the guy described what he was wearing!! Puffy coat, scarf, hat, dark glasses- come on! It seems that no matter what the guy said, if he stayed dressed like that, and was going through Goren's things, someone should have questioned him! Ken really had no fear if he went into the "lions den" dressed like that.
What does this episode tell us about Bobby?
We learn some details about his past, and we see more of the Bobby we know.
Is Bobby really afraid of heights? What is Bobby afraid of?
I posted before that I don't think Bobby was afraid of heights. Things I think Bobby is afraid of... having to walk back into the emotional pain of his childhood, being without knowledge - knowledge is power, evil winning.
Did Frank come to his father's funeral?
I can't beat Ragin's idea on this.
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Post by ragincajun on Dec 8, 2008 19:59:24 GMT -5
I always found they find Ken too easy in this one. Also Ken kills the girl to get the other guy to focus, but if he would have just left her alone, he probably would have never got caught, at least not by Goren and Eames. Also when Goren noticed someone had been at his desk, what was that red and white pack, was it a pack of cigarettes Did Frank come to his father's funeral? I think so, and I think he brought the date.Ragin, awesome call on Frank. I never considered that. I was wondering why that man would have had the idea that Bobby brought someone to the funeral. We spent spent some time in my house looking at that red and white pack, and no one could figure it out. I thought maybe it was poker chips, since they were dealing with gambling, but really, I have no idea. Also, I was wondering why Goren and Eames were called in to this in the first place. At first, it was just a random murder wasn't it?She had some sort of Government ID cause she was working on a project for them.
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Post by outerbankschick on Dec 19, 2008 19:04:09 GMT -5
I don't know about the heights thing. He looked more than a little startled there, as though he meant to stumble but then realized he didn't quite have the grip he thought he did. And he said, "People who almost take a header off a building. . . for me example. . ." Instead of, " me, for example. . ." or "for example, me". . .
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Post by leanonme on Dec 20, 2008 9:50:56 GMT -5
Well OBC, thanks for this thought. It would explain why he appeared to make the crazy move of putting himself in so much danger.
But, if this was a mistake, why then does he just sort of stay on the edge as he is talking to Ken, instead of just getting back to the inside? It would have been so easy for Ken to push him, plus if he had startled himself, wouldn't he have tried to make more of a recovery?
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Post by outerbankschick on Dec 20, 2008 13:19:37 GMT -5
Good points to ponder, Leanonme. I wonder sometimes if he stayed where he was to prove that he could? Or else he really did do the whole thing on purpose and the line-flubbing was a maneuver to put Ken "off-balance" mentally.
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Post by leanonme on Dec 20, 2008 14:24:10 GMT -5
Good points to ponder, Leanonme. I wonder sometimes if he stayed where he was to prove that he could? I love this idea! That would be the Goren I love. Great insight! Thanks OBC!
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Post by prodigaltwit on Dec 22, 2008 5:20:47 GMT -5
You guys can tear me a new hole for this....
But I thought the end was a cop out, with Ken's wife being his weakness. Although I thought using Ken's arrogance against him was classic Goren tactic.
Still, the first time I saw it, I spent the whole episode wondering how the G-man was going to get the guy because he was 'fearless' and in the end, it was a little disappointing to see him tripped up by such a trivial thing as life insurance (I mean he was messing with the MOB). That's just my two cents, but I still thought it was a great episode anyway.
I just loved the scene where Goren, Eames and the other two detectives just asserted control and took Ken off the Isrealis, they sure didn't want to give him up.
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Post by Patcat on Dec 22, 2008 10:28:53 GMT -5
H-m-m. A good point. Ken's wife has expressed some of her fears about his behavior in the past, and Ken has paid no attention to them. Was the concrete evidence of her fears in the form of the insurance policy really strong enough to create fear in Ken? I'd be more afraid of those Israeli mobsters.
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Post by leanonme on Dec 22, 2008 13:16:38 GMT -5
My take on it was that Ken was brought down by losing something, not fear.
The life insurance policy more represented the idea that Kerry no longer had unbreakable faith in Ken, and was more than willing to go on without him.
From what I understand about Ken's condition, the only thing that would bother him is something that means something to him. Meaning, his world is all about him, and the way he decides to function in it. So, if he was somehow getting validation of his greatness from Kerry's undying devotion, that was pulled out from under him. He probably didn't have the ability to love Kerry, ( hence Goren's "optimist" remark) but he did have the ability to play the role of loving her and being a husband. When Kerry took out the insurance policy, all of a sudden, he saw failure.
Also, I think guys like Ken are very predatory, and for a second he took in the fact that he was failing as a predator, Kerry wasn't dying totally under Ken, she was making a comeback. Thus, Ken was failing in his eyes.
However, the depth of Ken's pathology is seen in the fact that he is only upset for a second, until he can see a way out.
The mob was challenge to Ken. I have a feeling that death/fear has no hold over him, but failure, in whatever game and rules he has made up in his own head, is what has the hold over him.
Once again, sounds a bit like our hero... which would be a good explanation for hanging off a building to prove a point!
I thought it was a cop out at first, I did a lot of thinking and reading on this episode.
Oh and Prodigal, I loved that scene too- especially when they tell the guys that Ken will be back soon! lol
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Post by Patcat on Dec 22, 2008 13:58:16 GMT -5
A good explanation, Leanonme.
I don't think Bobby is that much like Ken--particularly now. Somewhere, some place, Bobby got a moral gyroscope. He's good, even when it hurts him.
Patcat
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