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Post by ragincajun on Mar 28, 2007 10:21:39 GMT -5
As for Vincent replying to anything the Enquire has said, I think he and most stars ( and all people for that matter) know they can't stop them and its not worth the time or energy. And anything said to these rags or about these rags just brings attention to them.
I understand how your husband feels, just like in another thread with the discussion of seeing a shrink. Both my children have anxiety, depression and one child has been home bound since 8th grade, she can't be in a crowd of people without going into a panic attack, she has social anxiety. Our bodies run on chemicals and sometimes those chemicals are out of balance and we need medications to help keep that balance. No one should ever be called out or made to feel ashamed that they have something that is beyond there control. What is horrible and what these papers should do something about is help the millions of people who have these chemical imbalances and can't afford the medications they need.
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Post by ladyday on Mar 29, 2007 3:29:08 GMT -5
I hate to even mention the Enquirer. It thrives on this type of rumor and innuendo. I agree that personal life is just that, but these rags make a business by leaching off the famous, infamous and informationally challenged.
There will always be someone who says," If it isn't true, they couldn't print it". Sure, if there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq the government would not say it.
Don't support the rags by buying them or repeating their lies. I have seen bits of this garbage on too many boards with people using these outrageous statements to assess the acting talents of Vincent D'Onofrio for season six. Outrageous.
It really makes me angry to see that we can be so gullible. For those with mental illness in their families, I don't know of anyone who can say they have no aunt, uncle, sibling, niece, nephew, parent, grandparent, great-grandparent, cousin, close friend, or neighbor who has not been touched by some form of mental illness. If you don't know anyone, go to the store, mall church, etc. They are not hard to find. They are us.
I think I'll drink a glass of water and cool off.
Ragincajun, right back at you, fellow Louisianian.
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 29, 2007 8:49:13 GMT -5
Ladyday, I have seen some of that as well on other boards. I'm always amazed to see so called "fans" grab onto anything and everything to denigrate a celebrity they say they admire. How is that supportive? I hope no one here is upset that I posted this article (and had to start a thread to do it). I guess I assume everyone on this Board is intelligent and educated enough to know that this paper is sheer folly. My Nana used to pick it up at the supermarket years ago when I was a kid. Even a child knows what they write can't be true. It's sort of like watching WW (world wrestling) on TV. You know, when the guy hits another guy with a tire iron or metal chair in the head & he's still OK. I do apologize if this thread caused any of you pain or anger.
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Post by Techguy on Mar 29, 2007 14:23:28 GMT -5
DonnaJo, I wasn't offended at all by your posting the article, just as I hope no one was offended by my posting articles speculating about whether CI will be renewed. I figure, it's out there, so no sense pretending it isn't. And bringing it out in the open and discussing the fallacies can be beneficial and therapeutic.
The NE is what it is--a gossip rag--and so I don't doubt either that the members of this board will see this story as just another example of NE sensationalism. The medication mentioned can also be used for other purposes, such as a sleep aid, so screaming out one scenario as being the reason for Vincent D'Onofrio taking it, assuming he is on the medication, is irresponsible but typical for a publication like the NE.
And yes, it's no one's business if Mr. D'Onofrio is on any kind of medication, but this sort of "news" is what the NE feeds on. And, unfortunately, there are some people who take what the NE publishes as the truth, as sad and pathetic as that is. Fortunately, the members of this board are not so gullible.
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Post by Metella on Mar 29, 2007 14:30:06 GMT -5
I wasn't offended by your post, or any answers..... just that NE sells enough to stay in business.
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Post by ragincajun on Mar 29, 2007 15:19:08 GMT -5
I wasn't offended either. NE stays in business the same way Jerry Springer keeps getting guest on his show and people keep tuning in to watch. Some people like seeing others suffer or like to think bad of others to make them feel good.
Dr. Phil even had a show about this guy going on TV to lose his virginity to a porn star because he thinks and his best friend thinks it will make them both famous. Two guys made a film, about casting a reality show told the people it was going to be called starvation island, but after they got to the island told them it was called Canabal Island, some wanted to leave, but most wanted to stay and be apart of the show. Even had people on camera saying they would eat a small toe or finger. What is this world coming too.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 29, 2007 15:24:55 GMT -5
I'm not bothered by the posting at all, as long as people are aware what the NE is. The truth is I'm glad Mr. D'Onofrio isn't a publicity hound, but one bad side affect--at least for me--is that I'm starved for news about him.
And I admire his talent--his big, brown, chocolate eyes have nothing to do with it (g).
Patcat
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Mar 29, 2007 16:30:13 GMT -5
Techguy stated: " And, unfortunately, there are some people who take what the NE publishes as the truth, as sad and pathetic as that is. Fortunately, the members of this board are not so gullible." Are you trying to say that the Monkey Baby and the Alien Autopsy articles weren't true? Next you'll be saying that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. ;D
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Post by ladyday on Mar 29, 2007 18:03:29 GMT -5
DonnaJo, I hope that you do not think my anger was directed at you. If I gave that impression, my writing skill is rustier than I thought. My ire is directed at those who wrote the trash and their believers. I want to make that clear.
We can say that we are above it, and that is probably true, but the stories have an audience and they do cause damage. If they didn't sell, NE would have gone the way of Midnight magazine and the other "alien babies" tabloids.
We live in a society were scandal sells. Our politics are driven by the "big lie". Just keep repeating the lie and it becomes the measure of the truth. Remember the "Swift Boat" veterans? The term, "swift boat" has become a part of the American lexicon.
Somebody said they "invented the Internet". No he didn't. He said that he introduced legislation that was instrumental in creating the Internet as we know it, accessible to the public at large. Not military, government or private corporation owned. But the lie was repeated thousands of times deliberately, and it stuck. Conservative politicians are still repeating it.
We can no longer depend on our nightly news programs, 24 hour cable news outlets or even NPR and PBS to swift through the muck and deliver us the pearls of the truth. There is no more "Fairness Doctrine". Just throw out both sides on almost everything, no matter how skewed.
Well, I'll get off the soap box.
NE is clearly not so grandiose, but it is just as egregious. Thank you for the debate. I have said nothing that intelligent, news savvy persons such as you don't already know.
We get the government and news organizations that we deserve, if we allow them to continue to lie unchallenged.
I am by no means saying that I want or expect any celebrity to sue or issue countless statements denying scurrilous lies. I am saying that EN is Not a news organization and should not be treated as such. It is a work of fiction and should be treated likewise.
Our government and nightly news should and must be held to a higher standard.
The NE has no standards for decency. Some of Mr. D'Onofrio's "fans" are saying that his performance this season is unfocused and worse because of his "health" or "mental health" problems and the medications that he is taking. Where did they get this from? Just a coincidence, I think not.
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Post by animaltalker on Mar 29, 2007 18:09:42 GMT -5
I don't think Vincent could go some 20 years in the film industry without it being known he was bi-polar, or whatever. (Thinks of Patty Duke.) It is hard for these people to function without proper treatment and monitoring. And you don't just up and develop it either. The article made is seem as if he suddenly become "psychotic" or developed a mental illness. Anyway, I totally agree with Patcat. The article made not just Vincent, but anyone who suffers from any kind of mental illness as some sort of loony tune. Whether or not he does have an affliction, Vincent, nor anyone else, shouldn't be made fun of for it. Especially with headlines screaming someone is on "anti-psychotic" medication. *Sigh*, Actually you can and do just up and develop "it". Bipolar disoder isn't like being brown-eyed or left handed, you don't have it from the day you are born! While an individual is born predisposed to the disorder he or she may never develop the disorder if the appropriate external sstressors never come into play. That's why one twin of a set of identical twins can be bipolar and the other not. Also in the same family the disorder onsets at different ages. My husband's mother's bipolar symptoms didn't show up until she was 50 (well at least they didn't get bad enough for someone to hospitalize her until then), my husband's appeared in his late 30s early 40s, but his son started showing signs when he was only 9 years old (It's not atypical for the disorder to show up earlier in subsequent generation). Also depending on the severity of the bipolar disorder many people go undiagnosed for years with some people saying the person is moody and difficult while others say that the person is wonderful to be around, charming, a barrel of laughs. If you want to know more about Bipolar disorder from an authoratative source try this link www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/bipolar.cfm
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Mar 29, 2007 18:20:56 GMT -5
Ladyday stated: "Some of Mr. D'Onofrio's "fans" are saying that his performance this season is unfocused and worse because of his "health" or "mental health" problems and the medications that he is taking. Where did they get this from? Just a coincidence, I think not." See I think his performance this year is much better then last year. D'Onofrio seems more focused and interested. He's been paying attention to adding those small layered details again. Also, he's thinner and healthier in his appearance. At least that's my take on things for all that's worth.
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Post by ladyday on Mar 29, 2007 18:47:55 GMT -5
Gorensdoppelganger, I agree that I love his performance this season. I think that it is deliberate, well thought out and bordering on brilliant. Most worthy of an Emmy.
However, all of his fans are not of this opinion on other boards, one in particular. This health or mental health issue, is being used to support their argument of a poor performance being given by Mr. D'Onofrio.
That was my only reason for mentioning it. I am not of that opinion as I have stated numerous times on every board of which I am a member.
Animaltalker, thank you for the link. Knowledge is power, and ignorance is costly.
I had a dear friend who had several family members , all female, suffering from bipolar disorder. Several are controlled by medication, one died in a mental institution, and one committed suicide.
I really loved the one who committed suicide. She held a master's degree and was brilliantly talented in almost anything that she tried. She was even very crafty.
It saddens me to think of the great loss we suffered when she could no longer tolerate the violent mood swings. She was the sweetest, most generous person I had the honor to know.
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Post by musicwench on Mar 30, 2007 12:10:29 GMT -5
I hope no one here is upset that I posted this article (and had to start a thread to do it). I guess I assume everyone on this Board is intelligent and educated enough to know that this paper is sheer folly. My Nana used to pick it up at the supermarket years ago when I was a kid. Even a child knows what they write can't be true. It's sort of like watching WW (world wrestling) on TV. You know, when the guy hits another guy with a tire iron or metal chair in the head & he's still OK. I do apologize if this thread caused any of you pain or anger. I didn't take offense to your posting, just the fact that the NE is printing something like that.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 30, 2007 17:08:31 GMT -5
I have three close friends who are bi-polar. My own brother may have been but refused any testing or treatment. He committed suicide nearly 3 years ago. I think it makes sense that one is born predisposed and can develop it while another one may not. However, I think you have to be born with a predisposition. That's what I meant by you don't just up and develop it. But I guess in theory, we aren't going to agree on how one develops it.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 30, 2007 17:41:02 GMT -5
oops
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