Count me in as someone who really wanted Joey to make a good life for himself. So it was a relief in a way that a different actor/character was portrayed in "All In."
I think it really helps to feel the charisma & chemistry between Pucci & VDO if you've seen the film they were in together, Thumbsucker. It also adds humor & significance to the VDO admonishment to Joey "Don't bite your nails."
Well I am Happy to say that I highly enjoyed this episode the second time around. As has been noted by others the performance by Pucci was phenomenal and the relationship portrayed between him and Goren was really sweet. Based on rewatching these last two episodes of the week I am going to have to reassess my opinion on season 5. At least the Goren/Eames episodes, I tried to watch the Logan/Barak episode about the Voodoo priestess and just had to change the channel, it was such a snoozefest.
For all of his negative and childish qualities, Joey also seems to have many redeeming ones. He has a sense of ethics (he doesn’t “cheat”); he seems to be a good boyfriend and companion to his girlfriend’s son. Goren seems to feel he’s worthy of saving. Is Goren right about Joey? If so, where did Joey get these qualities? I think Goren is right about Joey and that he is certainly worth saving, like Jeffan I am going to believe that All In was not about Joey and that Joey is doing well. I think Joey's father must have been a good influence on him. He didn't want Joey to go into playing cards and indeed recognized the bad influence that Phil had on Joey and tried to keep him away from Phil.
Did Joey play Goren? Does Goren play Joey? If Joey did play Goren it was because Goren wanted to be played by him and I think Goren and Deakins played Joey in the end, but it was for his own good.
Does Goren see himself in Joey? Does he see Frank? I think he does see a little of himself in Joey in that Joey grew up without a father and a distant mother. I don't think Goren sees Frank in Joey. Joey seems nothing like Frank. Frank didn't seem to play by any rules unlike Joey.
What, if anything, is Joey guilty of? Will he spend any time in jail? Joey is probably guilty of abetting a murder, if he testifies against the not so wiseguys he might get minimal if any jail time.
What did Joey know about his mark and Phil’s plans? I think he thought he was just suppose to humiliate Phil's brother-in-law but when he saw the not so wiseguys he realized murder was on the menu but did nothing to stop it.
Joey’s mother—did she have any other choices? Yes she had a choice, but took the easy way out.
Is Carver more of a jerk than usual in this episode? I find Carver is often a jerk and seems at times to be condescending toward the detectives, so I wasn't a bit surprised about how he acted.
Several posters noted this story’s resemblance to HAMLET. Is this the LOCI take on that play? Since it has been more than twenty years since I read Hamlet I take a pass at this question. But I did notice one of the wiseguy's name was Rosencrants. I would have enjoyed seeing Goren holding a skull and stating "alas poor Yorick I knew him will"
Does this episode, especially Deakins’ remark about heroes falling, foreshadow Deakins’ downfall? Maybe, but didn't Deakins quit so nobody else would be smeared?
Why is Deakins brought in to speak with Joey? for the old proverbial goodcop/badcop routine.
Why does Phil reveal so much in the interrogation? Doesn’t he realize someone—like Joey—might be watching? I think Phil thought he was smart enough to talk himself out of trouble and he was probably surprised when they started questioning him about Joey's father murder.
Post by maherjunkie on Aug 28, 2009 11:58:02 GMT -5
I always thought this episode was overrated, just better than most of season five. If Thumbsucker had not been made around that time I don't know if it would have gotten the same fanfare. I did like the scene where they eat together, it had a certain sweetness. I don't think Carver is a jerk so much as he just has a different job. I actually prefer the Healer and To the Bone over all three of them.
Awwww! I like to think that too! but I'm sure there is a list of examples of where he appears to have been played. (There is a list I'd like to see.) Declan Gage immediately springs to my mind.
I have a love/hate relationship with Joey. The character drives me crazy - whenever I think of Joey, I end up thinking of Eames sitting on the table looking at Goren who is putting his hands over his face as Joey goes "lalalalalalalala".
However Pucci did *such* an excellent job in this roll! You see Joey's crassness, arrogance and selfishness juxtaposed with his uncertainty, selfconciousness, vulnerability and huge inner tension. He was like a coiled spring the whole time. He made Goren seem totally laid back!
Post by skittles4me on Apr 18, 2011 23:13:27 GMT -5
My kids are on spring break this week.
$20,000 and a cleaning lady every other week is sounding like a sweet deal!
You know I'm JOKING! Right? No need to call CPS!
Seriously, I just loved Joey. I also liked his cousin, Josh Snow, but Joey had more personality and was more fun. I can't decide if I think his mom regretted letting him live with Phil, or if she thought Joey was better off with him. The scene between Shari and Joey in the hospital was sad.
If Joey was NOT Josh, where do you think he is now? I'd like to think Goren helped him. Joey was a bright kid, maybe even a genius when it comes to cards. Perhaps he could've become a poker champion, or work for casinos spotting cheats.