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Post by mwendyr on Nov 16, 2009 15:14:14 GMT -5
I, too, hope that this forum can continue to move forward instead of staying stuck in the past episodes. It has always been about the show, not necessarily a specific actor, so I hope we can all come back here and discuss new episodes.
;D
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 16, 2009 18:20:31 GMT -5
Re: saving this site. There are so many Vincent D'Onofrio sites and blogs on the Internet I would be very disappointed if CI-US simply became another one. In addition -- IMO -- "I remember Bobby Goren" is not a sustainable concept for a CI series forum. I do commend the dependable, energetic PC for her EOTW thread but I believe it has always been meant as a side dish to the main course -- which is the ongoing examination of new CI episodes. It's not a matter of tolerating "other points of view" in this case. If we no longer agree on the primary purpose for CI-US to exist we no longer have a community of shared interests and values. Community is what has given this site its richness. If some of us intend to keep to nostalgic threads and boycott discussion of new episodes, that community is gone. AL That's pretty much par for the course when they make changes of this magnitude to any show. I imagine web forums dedicated to The Practice had a difficult time as well. Some of them may have morphed into Boston Legal boards, but others may not have. And I must point out that "boycotting" discussion of new episodes is odd wording to me. If one is not watching the new episodes, one is not "boycotting" the thread, they are simply staying out of a discussion they have no vested interest in. And everyone who is not watching the show without G/E is not necessarily "boycotting" to make a point. They are simply not interested in the "new" CI. A major cast change of this kind is going to affect viewership. It is going to affect how people feel about the new cast, the direction of the show, everything. That's life folks.
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 16, 2009 18:22:24 GMT -5
PC, you must stop sitting down in the middle of the road. I don't want you to get squashed. I need your insight for those EOTW threads.
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Post by wilmingtonfan on Nov 16, 2009 21:01:54 GMT -5
I don't mean to be dense, but does this discussion mean that if I am not going to watch new episodes of the show, I am not a member of the community and need to find another site? I lurked for a while and started posting to this site because I admired the intelligent discussion of the show and characters. Then of course came the news that the show has been gutted of most of the cast. I think the parallel to Boston Legal is a good one. That did become different types of shows (I liked both The Practice and Boston Legal). It is true that The Practice was gone soon after that cast was gutted. I really don't have a problem with leaving if the idea is that you have to watch and discuss the new episodes to be part of the community. This community should be what it wants to be and members should post based on the fact that they want to be part of the discussion on this board.
I guess the question raised, which is a good one, is where is the board going and where should it go? How inclusive should it be? How far should it reach out to fans who will not be watching the new episodes? I am really interested in what others think about this?
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 16, 2009 21:25:14 GMT -5
Can of worms...opened! LOL! WF, I was thinking that very thing, but I wasn't going to go there just yet. You are much more diplomatic than I am prepared to be at the moment. IMO, there will be people watching and discussing the new episodes. Then there will be those who are not watching the new episodes who may still haunt the OT threads, and the older episode threads.
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Post by wilmingtonfan on Nov 16, 2009 21:43:23 GMT -5
You're right -- I peeked in that can and opened it wide. I do think it is an important question to ask. The board has been very quiet lately and I think it is because people are trying to figure this out and I think we need to discuss it and get it out into the open.
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Post by mwendyr on Nov 16, 2009 21:48:23 GMT -5
Interesting question.
I don't believe the point is that people who don't watch the new episodes have to leave -- far from it. I thought it was more of a bit of reassurance to those that want to discuss the new stuff -- will they be allowed? will it be okay to talk about the new episodes when so many are disgruntled with what has happened? I actually think the concern should be flipped around a bit there.
What needs to be done here is just reminding everyone that this board is about Criminal Intent - the show, past, present and future - so any fan of the show, new and old, are welcome to enrich conversations in any thread. If you don't want to discuss new stuff, then you don't have to but don't leave and take part in the EOTW etc, but if you want to discuss the new episodes, then please do so and don't feel you can't.
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 16, 2009 22:03:52 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why anyone would be shy at all about discussing new episodes if they so desire. It's not like anyone is discouraging that. Quite the opposite.
This board is always quieter during the "off" season anyway. There will be casting calls and such soon enough, and those interested will post in those threads, I'm sure. Once the season starts, then there will be episode threads posted, just like always.
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Post by maherjunkie on Nov 16, 2009 23:07:12 GMT -5
I think everyone has expressed themselves eloquently, I am just not much for change. Now if you'll excuse me I am going to load up my horse and buggy and go to the mercantile.
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Post by idget on Nov 17, 2009 0:05:17 GMT -5
WF, your diplomacy and insight are great assets to this board!
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Post by wilmingtonfan on Nov 17, 2009 6:59:46 GMT -5
I want you to know that y'all stretch me -- I have to reach into the recesses of my brain to pull out all of these analogies and references you make -- they are sooo funny. And of course MJ is so clever that most of the time I need to get hit by hammer over the head by her to get them. I am in awe of the superior knowledge of all things TV and movies that y'all have. And the ability to make us all laugh. Thanks!
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 17, 2009 9:28:44 GMT -5
As usual, I am in total agreement with Wendy. Is it really OK to talk about the new LOCI? Is this place inviting to new members? I have noticed (and who hasn't) that the few Goldblum fans who joined the board in the beginning of Season 8 have vanished. The exception being our wonderful, diplomatic, loyal Jeffan. Justifiably, the focus of this board lately has been the departure of the cast. That's where the emphasis lies, and that's to be expected. But honestly, if I were a fan of Jeff's (or Saffron's) I wouldn't feel welcome here right now. It's not that anyone has come out and insulted them - of course not. Everyone is polite and gracious. But the silence is deafening. The atmosphere isn't hostile, but it isn't welcoming either. I'm not pointing fingers here, believe me. I also haven't been going out of my way to encourage new members. I posted one article, big deal. I'm open to suggestions on keeping this place going in both directions - the old cast and the new. And I am still hopeful that we will get Goren (and Eames, please) in future Season 9 episodes. That will help keep the old fans going, myself included.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 17, 2009 9:53:41 GMT -5
Gosh, I hope people who want to discuss the new episodes feel welcome here. I can't help but think they'd feel more welcome than at the USA Board, which is a little like the Wild West. I certainly want new people here, and hope they feel welcome.
Patcat
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Post by annabelleleigh on Nov 17, 2009 10:15:30 GMT -5
I know for a fact that at least some Jeff Goldblum fans do not feel welcome here, precisely because of all of the weeping and gnashing of teeth over the departed actors (particularly VDO.) Why would anyone interested in Season 9 join a site with so many posts pronouncing "The show is over"?
In addition, if anyone cares to look back into the archives at posts made when Goldblum was first cast, there were definitely members who took a "VDO vs. JG" attitude. Goldblum is getting all of the publicity! He's getting the better scripts! Etc.
In short, whether it was intentional or not, we have shooed away new blood which (I believe) is desperately needed to enliven this site.
So -- yes -- I (personally) am saying that if all you want to do is discuss Vincent D'Onofrio, there are many Internet venues for such activity.
I don't expect those highly focused on VDO to fall in love with Jeff Goldblum. However I have to wonder -- with so much "reality" programming and other trash clogging TV channels -- why true quality crime drama aficionados would not give the new CI a chance.
AL
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Post by wilmingtonfan on Nov 17, 2009 10:38:01 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is intentionally shooing away JG fans. There hasn't been much news on that front and the news has all been with the massive cast changes -- it is only natural for the board to be dominated by this discussion, especially in the off season and by members who have been vested in the show and its detectives for so long.
If you wanted to discuss the new season, then threads should have been opened long ago and even a thread about JG could have been ongoing. I look at this as the responsibility of those who want to discuss these topics and pursue these matters of interest to them. For whatever reason, those members interested in these topics did not do so. (In fact, the discussion about whether to engage in a Season 9 discussion has not even taken place on a Season 9 thread, but on this thread, -- which is puzzling to me) Also, there is no reason for those who are not interested in the cast changes or VDO or KE leaving to participate in those threads discussing them, like this one. Or perhaps a better way to say it is if you don't like that some fans are not going to watch Season 9, don't frequent those threads. I don't think you can complain if you choose to not open another avenue for discussion interesting to you and choose to read threads that do not interest you or in which the discussions do not reflect your views as to the purpose of this board.
I am glad to see that for you Season 9 fans there are now 2 threads for the 2 episodes after Puntland and there is also a general Season 9 thread that I started to get the discussion off this thread. Please feel free to develop these threads for whatever purpose you desire and to draw in as many new members as you can.
For us who are fans of Robert Goren, a LOCI site is the place to discuss it. It's not as much of a VDO fan issue on this board as much as a discussion of the Goren character in the show and how the actor portrays him -- just like discussion of JG.
I am intrigued that opening the can of worms has not elicited more of the sentiment AL describes, which is what I had expected. It is interesting the different perspectives that members have on this. I have very definitely felt that I am not wanted because I am a fan of Robert Goren and have no desire to watch the show without him. Apparently JG fans feel the same way for their character.
So far the overall sentiment seems to be for all to stay and participate in what interests them. I will be curious to see if it continues this way or not.
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