The psych sessions were very interesting; they had me on the edge of my seat. Here's what I think: I honestly don't believe Goren thinks "everybody lies all the time." For one thing he's never ever mentioned this belief unlike certain doctors who walk with a cane. I think talking of his father and what his father made him do takes him to a very bad place and he was just speaking in anger and pain. If he did truly believe that everybody lies all the time, he would be distrustful of Eames, and we all know that's not the case.
Another thing I noticed. We started the session talking about a drunkard father being taken care of by his daughter. The first impression is that he's talking about the bar owner and his daughter, but it occured to me that he COULD be talking about Jonny's relationship with Eames. It's a thought, and one that certainly has implications if true.
Post by maherjunkie on May 23, 2011 10:56:25 GMT -5
Where to start, where to start, where to START, with how much I love this episode??
Loved all the personal touches; going back to EAmes neighborhood, family, background, Goren's father issues w/shrink.
Eames thinking the schoolroom was so small! For once she made me laugh: Irish Alzheimer's?!!! and "White Man's Paradise"!
And it was good to see her be nurturing too. I've never seen her be so tender. But I think her father knew exactly what he was saying. FAvorite scenes where when Bobby was having fun on the movie set, the matchmaker thought she could set him up, and "Lucky Nicholas"!
Really good show! The scene with Eames' dad, former cop living alone, drinking a little too much blah blah blah a tad cliched, but that's just me. Comment on the grandchildren: At first I thought, "hey you have grandchildren. What's Eames' nephew to you?" But thinking about it, perhaps it was an indictment on her career choice. A gun, a badge, but no children.
Funny that Eames broke up with a boyfriend in front of Moran's. Years later a man named Moran tried to break up her partnership.
The actress who portrayed Vanessa was outstanding. She balanced regret, anger, sorrow and compassion so well.
Once again, the psych session....Ooohh lets get to that intimate relationship.
I'd like to see someone compile the psych sessions so we can watch them in sequence.
Last Edit: May 23, 2011 11:58:38 GMT -5 by Moonbeam
Post by skittles4me on May 23, 2011 12:43:35 GMT -5
Wow! Y'all have brought up some good stuff!
Moonbeam: Great catch with the "Moran" connection!
We went straight from the shrink talking about "intimate relationships" to Bobby and Alex in Johnny's living room. The scene with Dr. Paula could have been anywhere in the episode, but I think it was deliberately edited to connect those two scenes. Even from a non-shippers point of view, Bobby's friendship with Eames is probably the most intimate one he has.
angua: I thought Goren was telling the shrink about the bar owner and his daughter, but I'll have to go back and watch that part again! I see something new everytime!
@mj: Oh I can see Logan living that way too! Right down to the Irish Whiskey! Too funny!
I agree with much of what has been said here. Having watched the episode a second time, all I can say is outstanding. This episode represents Criminal Intent at it's very best!
Tight, well-written, engaging script and a fast-paced episode. Filming, directing and editing were great; each giving flavor and depth to every scene. D'Onofrio and Erbe were pitch perfect. You can see every aspect of their characters snapping on the screen, feel their partnership, friendship (their back and forth), the thrill of the puzzle, relaxed and in sync with each other. Truly a thing of beauty!
Eames, in her glory (and her neighborhood), all snark and zing and Goren with his antics on the movie set, high-fiving the student, hanging onto the guy's suitcase to annoy him then throwing his arms out were all spot on for me.
The parallels were also well done. Eames saying Goren couldn't afford the matchmaker's "meat market" and the next scene is the meat market at Innwood confrontation between Vanessa and Driscoll. Vanessa's dad pouring a drink and her asking him if he'd eaten and Eames taking the bottle away from her dad and telling him to eat his sandwich. Vanessa saying David had dumped her because she was ordinary and Goren telling Eames she didn't get dumped because she was ordinary. Goren stepping into Vanessa's dad, showing his anger and then carrying that anger into the psych session and equating it with his own child/parent caretaking.
The actress playing Vanessa was wonderful, holding her own with D'Onofrio and Erbe. Her anger, protectiveness, guilt and sadness (Staten Island covered in marigolds) were palpable. She is anything but ordinary!
And the final line: "Show me a hero and I'll write you a tragedy" echoing and resonating like the ripples from a stone dropped into a calm pool.
Can you tell I am happy!!! ;D
Last Edit: May 24, 2011 11:02:38 GMT -5 by Leonore
This is, for me, the best episode in the last two seasons. So much going on, all of it interesting and vital to the storyline. Every one else mentioned all of the wonderful scenes (Goren in the school hallway, Eames and her dad, the Detectives with the matchmaker) that made this episode so special. Superb acting by all.
The only tiny complaint I have is this. Would the NYPD fake a murder scene (fake blood, yellow tape, cop cars) to trick a confession or witness revelation? Impossible, since they would be setting themselves up for a major lawsuit. Of course this is TV, and the whole scene when the daughter and father were reunited by the holding cell was fantastic.
My complaint is, how deserted can a New York street be between a high class restaurant and the apartment of a CEO?
Any thoughts on the shrink's comment at the end? "But we both know this isn't the first time you've place this rule (everybody lies all the time) around an intimate relationship."
What does she know, and how does she know it? Is she lying as Goren suggested?
The next scene immediately following Dr. Paula's comment is Bobby and Alex at her dad's house. I thought Dr. Paula was saying Bobby had placed that rule around his relationship with Alex since his relationship with her is probably the most intimate one he has (and I'm not talking ship here- just deep friendship in this case) and yet, he still has trouble opening up to her, keeps secrets from her, etc. Just IMO.
I think the psychiatrist was alluding to Goren's single status and/or lack of a long-term romantic relationship. She said that when he invokes this rule, it lets the people around him know he can't trust them and it creates a distance. That distance, imo, is why he has no relationship that's survived.
I don't think there's anything in his file about this, like Patcat said, it's a pattern of behavior.
I don't think we're going to get any follow-up. Last week's session ended with "what have you done for her son?" and I think the questions at the end are to illuminate various facets/problems with Goren's psyche and how he deals with things. I think they're supposed to be lightbulb moments for Goren and from that we're supposed to believe/hope that he won't repeat these behaviors.
Thank you for your compliment! Seriously though, when the writing on this show is on point, I don't believe there is a better written (or maybe I should say literate?) show on television. Show me another show that quotes Fitzgerald, Proust, Melville, and Marcus Aurelius and references Schopenhauer?!
I know realistically that with only eight episodes to write and shoot the scripts should be polished and well-conceived. I've watched this show from the beginning though because of the layers of the stories make you think. When the writers do their best work, you (as the audience) are actually thinking like Goren ( or at the very least wondering what Goren is thinking) and processing the story as it unfolds. D'Onofrio, quietly but powerfully, lets you watch Goren think and observe.
To me, after ten years of this show, what is really criminal, is that the critical acknowledgment and appreciation of this show has been so lacking. It has consistently been dismissed as just another police procedural. This show is so much more than that.