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Post by Techguy on Jun 19, 2011 21:13:55 GMT -5
The theater critic's name was DeWitt? Too bad he couldn't bring George Sanders' penache to the part.
This episode isn't even in Unrequited's league about the theater, much less All About Eve. Cynthia Nixon should have channeled Bette Davis. Better yet, Julie Martin should have channeled Joseph Mankiewicz when she sat down to write this episode.
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Post by kacesq on Jun 19, 2011 21:22:46 GMT -5
The motive was definitely pedestrian, I'll give you that. I loved Cynthia Nixon in this and Eion Bailey was hot. That's all I've got right now.
I think this season has been missing some of the truly weird, strange motives of perps in earlier seasons like the duo in Unrequited or Dennis Christopher in Cherry Red.
But it's been a good final season.
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Post by Leonore on Jun 19, 2011 21:58:20 GMT -5
Won't write much until I watch again.
Loved seeing Donnie's mom as the waitress! Goren wandering through the labyrinth. Nixon's character voicing Bobby's fears. Many good moments. I really enjoyed Smith's character's support of Goren (He does have friends!) and seeing Sam Bisbee's brief appearance.
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Post by Patcat on Jun 19, 2011 22:25:04 GMT -5
I pegged the "dramaturg" pretty quickly, but liked the twist of the producer using him. Like Techguy, I liked the tribute to ALL ABOUT EVE with the name of the critic. But I think I liked the episode as whole better than TG. I liked Cynthia Nixon's take on Julie Traymor, although the actor who played the producer is one I've never found believable, Goren does seem to be learning from the sessions. But there's a lot that last episode is going to have to answer.
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Post by idget on Jun 20, 2011 0:28:13 GMT -5
I loved this episode for some reason. Found it hilarious that Goren was changing the Labyrinth and finding his own way through it just as in life. And I also liked that it showed he had friends who support him, very nice touch. Thought Patty Smith made a pretty good mythology prof. I also had the Dramaturg pegged as the murder was surprised though that "Tommy Jefferson" from Harry's Law was also a co-conspirator. Liked that he was giving Goren a run for his money clapping at his aria performance. Sometimes I do think the perp breaks too easily I don't think the producer would have ever broken if the Dramaturg didn't have the goods on him. Con't to like the directing, thought the Times Square scene was awesome. What part did Sam Bisbee play?
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Post by kacesq on Jun 20, 2011 4:32:01 GMT -5
Can I just whine that I work in Times Square and you'd think that someone in my office would've noticed a major scene with VDO, KE and Cynthia Nixon being filmed outside the office and told me about it. Dammit. CI also filmed a scene from the finale down my block - that I knew about - but I didn't get to see anyone. Boo. I think Sam Bisbee was playing the guitar at that outdoor memorial service.
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Post by Leonore on Jun 20, 2011 6:42:36 GMT -5
"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players." As You Like ItAnd I did like it! I found the episode entertaining. No Techguy, I agree, it was no Unrequited! I knew the who and the why pretty quickly. What fascinated me and held me captive were the layers of irony and the layers of the play, within a play, within a play. On display were actors and their characters and their egos: "Actors are people-pleasers." "I know, I know," commiserates Goren at one point. What is "real" and what's "pretend"? How do you balance artistic endeavor, expression, and vision with crass commerce and profit (the business of show business)? Also keeping my mind occupied thoughout the episode were the labyrinth and journeys. Journeys not only for the characters of Goren and Eames, but of the show itself. These final episodes we've discussed as the show and characters "coming full circle" and Eames in The Last Street talks about the circle of life, I could go on, but I think you get the point! I took this show as an ode of sorts to the work product that is LOCI. The world that was created for us (the fans) week in and week out through all the changes for ten years. This episode (to me) represented the commitment of the actors, the writers, showrunners, producers and crews in making this show that we love. The rain drops beating against the windows during the therapy session felt like they could be my tears. I will miss the intelligent writing, the brilliant and engaging characters of Goren and Eames, and the nuanced performances of D'Onofrio and Erbe.
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Post by Moonbeam on Jun 20, 2011 9:02:51 GMT -5
Leonore, I agree. It was sort of an ode to LOCI. It was full of irony. The tweet about directors and producers, huh. I was reminded of what VDO said in his George Gerkie show about producers. The talk of visions, direction and hmmm replacements. Many parallels. It was a show within a show.
Thanks for identifying Donnie's mom. I was trying to remember who she was.
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Post by skittles4me on Jun 20, 2011 9:35:04 GMT -5
From the lighter side, my random thoughts:
G/E color-coordinated with the burgundy and then with the gray.
Sometimes I thought Amanda paralleled Eames, (strong women are called B***hes; no husband, no kids, no life outside work; "Work needs to be my focus. Otherwise, what do I have?") and sometimes I thought she paralleled Bobby ("I've always thrown myself into my work at the exclusion of all else. It makes me feel safe. There I wouldn't have to think about the things I was running from.")
Goren didn't know what a dramaturg is? He didn't know something?
I laughed when Eames was talking to the captain and said (about the victim) "Maybe someone took offence at his tweets!" That can happen. (ahem cough cough)
The props guy- the first accident was because of a loose screw... Maybe he needs to see Dr. Paula!
Evan has Carver's old office.
Bobby likes jazz, Eames loved "Strange Angel".
Amanda's eulogy: "We all have desires, yearnings for love and acceptance."
Amanda: "For a production like this to work, there must be absolute trust." As Bobby must have with Dr. P in therapy. He isn't there yet. He is still questioning her motives.
Bobby's dream; walking across a bridge (someone elsewhere said he let down his drawbridge), NYPD officers marching in the other direction, turbulent waters.... a difficult crossroad.
The labyrinth is a single path, but in some versions it is a maze, a puzzle, with choices of direction. I thought Patti Smith was great in her acting debut!
The perps, the motive, meh.
Lots of egomaniacs with inferiority complexes!
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Post by maherjunkie on Jun 20, 2011 10:54:03 GMT -5
I wasn't as enamored of this one as you guys are. It was good enough. I loved Bobby stealing the water from Brice and the way he questioned him. I guess the killers early on-the unappreciated guy and the one you rarely see. Cynthia Nixon was great, a real trainwreck to watch. Enjoyed the all too brief shrink scene but it does not lend itself to the ride into the sunset ending we hoped for. Does anyone notice the captain seems to have a facial tic? Not really a tic, just like his face is parted to one side. I still find him oddly appealing.
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Post by kacesq on Jun 20, 2011 10:58:39 GMT -5
I have a whole scenario worked out for the final scene based on the promo which I won't bore you all with ;D but, suffice to say, I think we'll get a "Goren commits to therapy" as the end result of the shrink sessions. To me it's part of all that "work towards a goal" and "doing the work" references Gyson threw around in past sessions...
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Post by Techguy on Jun 21, 2011 20:03:16 GMT -5
Like Techguy, I liked the tribute to ALL ABOUT EVE with the name of the critic. But I think I liked the episode as whole better than TG. PC, if CI is going to reference the iconic All About Eve which crackled with wit and originality, it better have the chops to pull it off. IMO this episode didn't come close to doing that. So in an ironic way, Icarus mimicked the character from Greek mythology for which it was named. It tried to fly too close to the brilliance of the AAE sun, and then fell, not quite to its death, but flat nonetheless.
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Post by Moonbeam on Jun 21, 2011 20:51:02 GMT -5
Oh yeah, it might have been "All About Eve" only much better. The parallels with Goren and his way, along with Eames finding her way. Loved the conflict amongst the directors, producers and those who are only thinking about the money (Fluff and Bonnie Hammer... does that ring a bell)? Hello USA...
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Post by Techguy on Jun 21, 2011 21:07:46 GMT -5
^^^ We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Moonbeam on Jun 21, 2011 21:14:44 GMT -5
Well that's much nicer than being called wrong and unfair. ;D
All About Eve never crossed my collective memory. Half way through the episode, I felt it was a tongue in cheek response to TPTB responsible for dumping the original cast, crew and show runner.
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