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Post by Patcat on Jul 5, 2011 13:40:20 GMT -5
Goren's parentage? Mike Logan's appearance? Eames' pregnancy? What was the worst development on the show?
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 5, 2011 14:26:22 GMT -5
The unsolved Donnie case!
What do you mean by Mike Logan's appearance?
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Post by Patcat on Jul 5, 2011 15:41:45 GMT -5
Oh, just if Logan's joining Major Case was a bad thing. (I don't think that, by the way.)
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Post by alliehalliwell on Jul 5, 2011 23:05:50 GMT -5
The WORST would be Goren's parentage. Bad, bad, bad. Pure soap written by the writers for audience horror. Was it needed? NOPE. They could have still had all that bad stuff happen to Frances and NOT have Goren be the baby of a serial rapist/killer... Seriously. His family had issues enough. It was unnecessary and painful to watch.
The Donnie situation - Yeah...if he had been written in to come back it could have worked but it's obvious now this was also just a plot device.
I think those two things are probably the worst. There are some other things which could have been handled better like the way they had Goren fired last season, and how they made it look like his life is doomed forever... but the above are major flaws in the show and with the writers using those ideas as plot devices, in my opinion, it backfired.
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Post by dimarec on Jul 6, 2011 17:09:23 GMT -5
The worst was to take Goren out of the police and all those unsuccessful Eames clones.
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Post by Moonbeam on Jul 6, 2011 20:40:58 GMT -5
The Donnie thing...come on...Frank would have milked Goren and his mother for everything he could. Don't ya' think Frank would have played the nephew angle from day one? Bad concept. Now about the parentage, by the way is parentage a real word? I totally agree with allie. They could have had all that bad stuff happen to Frances and NOT have Goren the son of a serial rapist/killer. It would have been fine not knowing who Goren's father was.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 8, 2011 6:48:16 GMT -5
I have to agree with both Allie and Moonbeam- making Goren's biological Dad a serial rapist is the worst example of bad soap opera writing.
I'm OK with Donnie's whereabouts being left to the imagination. Not everything can or should be neatly tied up. IMO, Donnie eventually found his way home to Pennsylvania. I don't think that Tate's Correctional in NY is going to expend too much energy trying to locate him, especially with the Warden and staff being arrested for abuse and murder.
My second least favorite development was the murder of Nicole Wallace by Declan Gage. I wanted Bobby to succeed in putting her behind bars for good.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 8, 2011 7:12:23 GMT -5
I agree that making Brady Bobby's biological dad was way out there--it would've been enough of a shock for Bobby to realize his mother wasn't a complete saint and had an affair.
But I liked the idea that Nicole was murdered by Gage. Something screwily poetic about that, and I like to imagine the look on her face as she realized she was poisoned and dying.
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Post by meggyd on Jul 8, 2011 23:45:02 GMT -5
I am there with the Donnie angle - I agree with Moonbeam that Frank would have used Donnie for sympathy, money and whatever else from the minute he was born. If they were going to introduct him, though, they should have followed through and resolved it in some way.
One thing that always struck me as really silly was the introduction (and subsequent disappearance of) Goren's 'neice' Molly. Sure she was cute and watching Goren interact with her was cool, but having gone to so much trouble to establish that Goren really had no family to rely on and that this traumatised him, how could he suddenly have a neice and relations who would have him stay with them? To me it just showed that the scriptwriters hadn't bothered to watch the past episodes and couldn't be bothered staying true to the character because it didn't fit with the story they had in mind.
All the events of Loyalty were bizarre. Hated the summary execution of Danny Ross and felt he deserved better. Goren was out of character. Danny has kids but his ex-partner only talks about the distress of his never before mentioned sister? Scriptwriters not doing their research and not caring about the characters.
Mark Ford Brady being Goren's father. The story would have worked just as well if he had been lying to Goren to torment him, and it wouldn't have been so soapy.
Nicole being murdered by Gage, and Gage's whole killing rampage were beyond the pale. Still, I was happy that Nicole was gone for good (we voted for her death in the earlier episode with the alternate endings here in Australia, so she'd already risen from the dead for us once already).
All the things that I consider the worst developments were in the same one or two seasons when the writing just went haywire.
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 9, 2011 8:34:11 GMT -5
Oh, thank god, for a moment I thought you meant those eyebrows that were raised to high heaven. ;D
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Post by Moonbeam on Jul 10, 2011 10:34:31 GMT -5
Didn't someone stop and think, "hey, that means he's Bobby Brady?" ;D
meggyd, you read my mind. I was going to post something about the "niece," and then I saw your post. Nothing more to add.
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 10, 2011 10:40:00 GMT -5
I can live with the father, partly because Roy Scheider was so good in the role, but there was little foundation for the niece.
What pissed me off was what didn't happen: Logan was supposed to resolve something from his past, and it didn't appear to happen to me.
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Post by kacesq on Jul 10, 2011 19:44:43 GMT -5
Agree with all who said Brady as Goren's dad. Sigh. I actually liked Declan eradicating the "dead weight" in Goren's life but that may just be my inexplicable love of John Glover coupled with my giddiness over someone, ANYONE, taking out Nicole for good... But Patcat, was Nicole poisoned? I was never sure how Declan killed her. I just remember the "when she knew her time had come..." line from Declan. maherjunkie, what was Logan supposed to resolve from his past? I would've liked to have seen Logan tangle again with Whoopi Goldberg's character in To The Bone - sorry blanking on the character name right now. I think I read Rene said something about she was intended to be a nemesis for Logan but then Rene left after S5 so...
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 11, 2011 11:37:21 GMT -5
Chelsea Watkins.
It didn't say, it was a blurb under a vid on the USA website.
I, too, would have loved a showdown.
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