psychochik
Silver Shield Investigator
Ha-Ha
Posts: 191
|
Post by psychochik on Jan 19, 2006 14:56:29 GMT -5
The intensity in this episode is something that has been missing from the show for a while now and I think Slither had a hint of it coming back, but I think they need more that arent so cookie cutter episodes. I knew there was a reason I liked this episode and to me, it was the fact that they didnt agree wth anything and that we got to see Goren go to bat for the wrong guy and just overall the intesity was stepped up a notch.
|
|
|
Post by Sirenna on Apr 5, 2006 20:26:29 GMT -5
I watched this again today. It's really good. I have to say (again LOL!) I think Goren was right and Carver was wrong. He didn't want to kill them so pre-meditated murder was not his intent therefore no death penalty was warranted.
Neil Patrick Harris was excellent in this one. Wow.
He made me want him to meet a nice girl and settle down. Even cannibalistic , lobotomizing stalkers deserve to find love..!
|
|
deb
Rookie
Posts: 41
|
Post by deb on Apr 5, 2006 21:31:06 GMT -5
I liked this one, too. It was definitely creepy, though. I could actually understand why Goren felt Tagman did not deserve the death penalty. He did not plan on killing. Also, I didn't like that Goren was yelling at Carver. I know it was to show how deeply he felt about Tagman not getting the death penalty, but I think it could have been done another way. Just didn't sit right with me for some reason... I was actually watching the show and saying to myself "why in the world is he Yelling at Carver?."
|
|
|
Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 6, 2006 19:10:29 GMT -5
I understood Goren's stand on the issue, but seeing him act so out of character was a little disconcerting for me. He's seen criminals get death before that I believe he thought didn't deserve it (Jerome from 'stray', the daughter from 'Suite Sorrow' to name a couple). What I didn't understand is why he didn't take such a vocal stand before?
|
|
|
Post by Techguy on Apr 7, 2006 3:48:48 GMT -5
My take is Jerome would get the death penalty in "Stray" because it was he who pulled the trigger and murdered the undercover cops. And if memory serves me correctly, killing a cop in NYC is a capital offense. And doesn't Capt. Deakins ask Goren how he feels about the death penalty as they leave to attend the funerals, and Goren replies something along the lines of "Now is not a good time to ask me that."
As for the daughter Julie in "Suite Sorrow" we don't see her going to trial or convicted so the death penalty issue is up in the air. She also has some medical problems which would be mitigating factors in any penalty phase of her trial if she is convicted and if her crime would fall in the capital offense category.
|
|
|
Post by Cassie on Apr 7, 2006 5:45:40 GMT -5
If there is no Death Penalty in New York, I wonder why they even addressed the issue in the show. Also I don’t think Julie's migraines would not be extenuating circumstances not to get the death penalty. Her lawyer might use as part of her defense for both trials.
|
|
|
Post by rosemary on Apr 7, 2006 6:18:22 GMT -5
Maybe it still exists by the book, but isn't executed (in the truest sense of the word) anymore. It was that way in late 90s Poland. The death penalty existed by the book, but nobody was put to death in 1997, and as far as I remember, not in 1996 either, because Poland wanted to be accepted into the EU.
|
|
|
Post by Patcat on Apr 7, 2006 9:58:10 GMT -5
The death penalty in New York State is in something of a state of limbo due to a recent court ruling (federal, I believe) ruling much of the statute unconstitutional. As a practical matter, it's been at least 20 years since someone was actually put to death in New York. There are still people on Death Row there, but their status is in question due to that recent ruling.
To put it bluntly, Jerome would be facing the death penalty because he was black and poor. Julie would not because she was rich and white. That's oversimplified, but not by much.
Patcat
|
|
|
Post by avemah on Apr 7, 2006 13:30:42 GMT -5
My little take on the matter of Goren's stand for Tagman: Bobby mentions earlier in the episode that maybe the way into Tagman's mind is by being a big brother. I think he got a little too close to John, took the 'big brother' thing a little farther than he originally intended. I also happen to agree with him--Tagman was just trying to ease his loneliness, something everyone has felt. Socially inept and incredibly shy, the poor guy was just trying to reach for a connection. Unfortunately he did it in a criminal manner and had to be stopped, but put to death? I don't think so.
I do wonder, though, if Tagman hadn't been killed by other prison inmates, if Bobby would have kept up the 'big brother' part. Gone to see him once a month or something. That would have been nice, although something completely outside the scope of the show. Perhaps a fanfic is in order...
|
|
|
Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 7, 2006 13:39:22 GMT -5
Tagman getting killed was IMO a good way to end it, because brutal as it was, it have Goren closure. Because I think he would have gone on visiting Tagman jail, something that would have been completely out of character for him, with Tagman's death though he can move on.
|
|
|
Post by Patcat on Apr 7, 2006 14:26:17 GMT -5
I like mushy sensitive Bobby as much (if not more) then the next person, but I don't see him visiting perps in prison...and for the sake of his mental and physical health I hope he doesn't.
Patcat
|
|
|
Post by rosemary on Apr 7, 2006 18:00:40 GMT -5
And he shouldn't. I don't know if it would be pathetic or just over-protective. Any idea how many perps he helps to put into jail during the many years of his active duty. He cannot visit them all in prison.
|
|
|
Post by Sirenna on Apr 7, 2006 22:05:37 GMT -5
I like mushy sensitive Bobby as much (if not more) then the next person, but I don't see him visiting perps in prison...and for the sake of his mental and physical health I hope he doesn't. Patcat LOL!
|
|
|
Post by Techguy on Apr 8, 2006 1:44:43 GMT -5
Tagman getting killed was IMO a good way to end it, because brutal as it was, it have Goren closure. Because I think he would have gone on visiting Tagman jail, something that would have been completely out of character for him, with Tagman's death though he can move on. I like mushy sensitive Bobby as much (if not more) then the next person, but I don't see him visiting perps in prison...and for the sake of his mental and physical health I hope he doesn't. Patcat Do you think Det. Goren is Wally Stevens' pen pal as Eames suggested at the conclusion of "Probability"?
|
|
|
Post by Sirenna on Apr 8, 2006 9:16:26 GMT -5
LOL!
Well, Nicole could drop in on Bobby's mum at Carmine (sic)
|
|