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Post by janetcatbird on Apr 27, 2006 17:53:54 GMT -5
I certainly wasn't trying to insult people at the conventions--they're just getting together with friends/people who share an interest, and they're having fun. (At least, as far as I can tell, since I haven't actually attended.) The problem is that outsiders perceive it a certain way: see Saturday Night Live. But I'm not sure the conventions represent everybody. For each fan who attends cons I'm guessing there are probably several more like me who enjoy the shows to varying degrees, but don't really participate off the living room couch.
Just what is the translation for that particular phrase? After all, my sweet delicate southern-belle self (ha!) ought to know exactly what it is I'm shouting out! Any websites you might reccomend for further edification?
--Catbird
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 27, 2006 19:05:16 GMT -5
Sure SNL Mad TV, Adult Swim's Robot Chicken... etc nearly all of the comedy shows have exploited those poor folks for a laugh. While it may be true on some level speaking as someone who's been to a few Star Wars conventions, it doesn't describe EVERYONE that attends.
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Post by Techguy on Apr 27, 2006 23:05:07 GMT -5
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Post by rosemary on Apr 28, 2006 6:27:52 GMT -5
Don't tell me you read Klingon, too…O Brother! Qapla!
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Post by janetcatbird on Apr 28, 2006 21:37:03 GMT -5
Thank you, Techguy! The Klingon Language Institute is very useful, I've already found several choice epithets. Note that I'm looking at these cause I really want to eliminate my cussing--Klingon would allow me to express frustration and feel smug, but not offend anybody. (Although I can only imagine the stories my roommate will tell!) 'Preciate it!
--Catbird
PS: Rosemary, hee!
And Techguy, I didn't really think you were mad, but I figured I ought to explain myself in case anybody read it the wrong way. Besides, I was postponing revising a bibliography, so I was desperate to write about something. I suppose I ought to give in and start using emoticons, but I feel that as a challenge to be a better writer and improve my communication skills. Lack of vocal tone/inflection is a slight annoyance in a text-based medium!
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 29, 2006 8:01:38 GMT -5
LOL I I thought I was doing well when I could watch an entire undubbed Godzilla movie (& understand it) without looking at the subtitles.
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Post by comedykicks on May 4, 2006 19:18:58 GMT -5
Neat!! I can learn some Klingon without having to buy the book because after all, I can barely manage my own basic English language!
Hey is it a bad thing that this was the one thing that stood out too me: be'joy' (n) ritualized torture by women [Sarek]
You can understand the words?? That is amazing. I can understand the intentions by the expressions on their faces, mannerisms, gestures, etc., but I've never really understood the actual words in those movies.
True. I've never been to a convention, but I am not ashamed to say that I would dress up and go all out and enjoy myself. I know its not real and I know some people will look down on people like me, but I choose to laugh it off because after all, its my life and I enjoy what I enjoy. You don't like it, than your not invited. ;D
By the way, that wasn't meant for anyone here. Just the real all out haters with nothing better to do than pick on others.
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Post by Techguy on May 4, 2006 23:59:54 GMT -5
Don't tell me you read Klingon, too…O Brother! Qapla! Qa tlho'! And just to illustrate this is serious business:www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/05/10/offbeat.klingon.interpreter/index.html Qapla'! Hospital seeks Klingon speaker Saturday, May 10, 2003 Posted: 10:37 PM EDT (0237 GMT)
PORTLAND, Oregon (AP) -- Position Available: Interpreter, must be fluent in Klingon.
The language created for the "Star Trek" TV series and movies is one of about 55 needed by the office that treats mental health patients in metropolitan Multnomah County.
"We have to provide information in all the languages our clients speak," said Jerry Jelusich, a procurement specialist for the county Department of Human Services, which serves about 60,000 mental health clients.
Although created for works of fiction, Klingon was designed to have a consistent grammar, syntax and vocabulary.
And now Multnomah County research has found that many people -- and not just fans -- consider it a complete language.
"There are some cases where we've had mental health patients where this was all they would speak," said the county's purchasing administrator, Franna Hathaway. County officials said that obligates them to respond with a Klingon-English interpreter, putting the language of starship Enterprise officer Worf and other Klingon characters on a par with common languages such as Russian and Vietnamese, and less common tongues including Dari and Tongan. And also some NOT-so-serious business:www.geocities.com/Athens/8853/curse.html
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Post by janetcatbird on May 5, 2006 10:41:06 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Jon Stewart seems to be a "Star Trek" fan, they manage to sneak in little bits beyond the obvious "KHAAAANNN!!!". I remember several instances where he mentioned or compared a policy to the Genesis device.
But last night: the whole Spanish-language national anthem debate. Keeping with the purely superficial overtones of this complicated issue, he laughed, he pulled out the obscure second verse that nobody ever sings: really elaborate, heavy plodding blah. Finally he exclaimed "Christ, that would sound better in Spanish! Or Klingon!!!" Hee--I know it's not a shout out to us, but fun nonetheless!
--Catbird
PS: At least the hospital is making an effort to communicate with all its patients, but is it really that common to merit a whole translator? I'm trying to imagine people interviewing for that with a straight face--or listing it on your job resume. But was that real, or did it turn out to be an urban legend?
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Post by Techguy on May 7, 2006 17:54:18 GMT -5
I want to put in a good word for some DVD sets I just purchased to go along with my new DVD player. The Star Trek Fan Collective "Time Travel" and "Borg" sets are great samplers for those fans like me who don't want to go broke buying all the boxed season sets for all the ST series.
I have a couple of nit picks however. How could "Assignment Earth" from ST original and "Relics" from ST: TNG be left off the "Time Travel" set? Yet, "The City On the Edge of Forever" from the original series and "Yesterday's Enterprise" from ST: TNG are included so I can't complain on that score.
Another quibble: there is some duplication of episodes across the DVD sets. Why did the folks who put these together do this, if not to rip off fans eager to have all the collections? For example, "All Good Things" is on the "Time Travel" set and will be on the as yet unreleased "Q" set. Still, this didn't stop me from pre-ordering "Q" (due for release June 6) from Amazon. I've also ordered the "Jean Luc Picard" collection which has already been released, and pre-ordered the "Klingon" set (due for release August 1) .
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Post by NikkiGreen on May 19, 2006 17:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 7, 2006 20:19:21 GMT -5
Well, whaddaya know, there's hope for us yet!msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=6468&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=6>1=8535How geeks can get together By Jim SulskiIt’s not uncommon to see members of the Chicago Cycling club “pair up” romantically while riding around the Windy City, says club vice president Kathy Schubert. “The members didn’t join the club to meet people; they joined because they enjoy bike riding,” she says. “But then they meet someone who shares that love, they talk about it, and things click.” If you’re a “geek” about something — whether it’s bicycling, cooking or Star Trek — it’s not hard to find someone who is interested in your passion or even shares it, say the experts. “Men and women are turned on by people who have passions,” says Lori Sutherland, the directrix of the New York City-based Mama Gena’s School of Womanly Arts. And there are a couple of ways to geek out with a potential match, highlight your interests and draw, not drive away, dates. Here, some pointers: Hang out in the right circles For example, cyclists naturally gravitate to the Chicago Cycling Club, Schubert says. Film buffs, meanwhile, may join a local film-appreciation society. Dog-lovers can hook up with each other in a dog obedience class. “Go where your passion is—and where the other people who share your passion are,” says Tina B. Tessina, an author of relationship books and a licensed psychotherapist in southern California. In fact, Tessina says you can often find platforms to meet fellow geeks no matter how narrow your interest may be. “If you are a Stargate series fan, go to a convention where there will be other fans,” she instructs. “If you are a fitness enthusiast, join a running club. Or if you are a cooking fan, take a culinary arts class that is fairly sophisticated.” Know how to chat up your passion Prepare a script in which you can obviously promote your interest with others, the experts say. This could be a dialogue with a potential match at a class or convention, or it could be drafting text for an online ad that makes your passion clear. “If you’re really a fanatic about something, I would use the language,” Tessina says. For example, a person who eats Thai food at least once a week might say something along the lines of “looking for someone who would like to satay with me a while.” One word of caution: Don’t go overboard in promoting your desire. There comes a point when an obsession can become an addiction, the experts say. “The standard definition of an addiction is that it prevents you from getting your work done or having friends or relationships,” Tessina says. “If your passion makes you so obsessed that you’re not getting to work on time or dealing with your mail, then it’s officially a problem and you’re not ready for a relationship.” Laugh about it Make sure to temper talk about your passion with a sense of humor, advises Sutherland. “My husband is obsessed with books and film, but he plays up his obsession in a fun way,” she says. Poking fun at yourself is one way to do that. This applies even if you’re a Trekker, the world’s biggest Harry Potter fan or have a collection of cereal boxes from the 1960s in your basement, the experts say. Maybe it’s a self-deprecating remark: “You know what I noticed as I was reading The Order of the Phoenix... um, for the sixth time?” followed by a conspiratorial smile and a shrug. Or say you notice when you are going on a bit too long about your obsession—just say, “Let’s make sure this is my last comment about the Grateful Dead tonight; you take the floor now, OK?” That not only shows that you’re aware of how your passion can take over, but you’re also inviting the other person to let you know when you go overboard—both excellent traits as you begin to forge a relationship. Lastly, remember that relationships are built on shared passions—and also sharing passions. Don’t write someone off just because he or she doesn’t know all about bird-watching the way you do. Sometimes, teaching someone else about your interest (and learning about that person’s, respectively) can give rise to a wonderful relationship. I love the fact that Trekkers are mentioned several times as the desperate, "if they can do it, anybody can". Obviously this man has taken it upon himself to offer his wealth of wisdom to us poor fools, though he himself does not seem to be a "geek". What I would give to see a geek giving advice to his/her fellow geeks! I have to say though, I was laughing more than I was offended.
--Catbird
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Post by Metella on Sept 7, 2006 21:33:32 GMT -5
I just started in on intensive DS9 .... spike started from the first episode & I am rolling along in what feels like chrono order. Sweet. I was sans cable for a few years & so missed out on DS9 ...... I'm not so liking Quark, Kira or even the high dose of Miles; but I do seem to like all the story lines even when they focus on the characters I'm not so fond of.
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Post by spaniard on Sept 8, 2006 8:58:02 GMT -5
Nicole wallace with Q powers?!? yikes!
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Post by NikkiGreen on Sept 8, 2006 15:47:08 GMT -5
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