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Post by BegToDiffer on Apr 27, 2007 20:33:08 GMT -5
There is an exception to the rule about priviledge with one's lawyer when a third party is present. That exception would apply to anyone interpreting for the client to the lawyer, whether it was signing or a client who doesn't speak English. In the case of the deaf talking to their attorney, the interpreter, policeman or not, has no legal standing for repeating that conversation. That would be a violation of the deaf person's rights, just as it would be a violation of my rights, if the police listened in on my speaking conversation with my attorney. And my head is still spinning over my earlier comments that "I" would ever say anything against my all time favorite detective, Robert Goren. What came over me? I blame those d*mn writers, its all their fault.
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Post by deathroe on May 8, 2007 19:31:07 GMT -5
I was reviewing my L&O proper DVDS. Just fwiw, "Silencer" has significant plot points in common with "Benevolence" (season 3). The victim in that ep is a young hearing-impaired woman, with two recent boyfriends, one deaf and upset that she is considering a cochlear implant. There is discussion of "reasonable expectation of privacy"--and there may be other points in common. There are some marked differences in attitudes to the hearing-impaired in the 14-year-old episode, however--I'd probably have to watch in more detail to figure them all out.
I'm pretty sure that the L&O shows all borrow from each other systematically (and not just in terms of the themes, motifs, vocabulary, but also in terms of plot). One of these times I'm going to sit down with Season 1 of CI and L&O proper and chart all the borrowings, because I'm pretty sure there are more than a few correspondences between those two seasons: I enjoy doing things like that for fun, LOL.
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Post by mikeyrocks on Jun 6, 2007 22:32:26 GMT -5
As always an incredibly insightful and thoughtful post janethyland.
This is the one episode I missed this season - My VCR went renegade on me. But after reading your review this one is most definitely a must see for me = I will really have to catch it in reruns.
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Post by Techguy on Mar 5, 2008 23:42:05 GMT -5
This excerpt from American Chronicle includes a CI mention--more at the highlighted link:"Things are opening up in film, television and theatre with respect to issues of disability—there has been progress. At the same time, the surface has barely been scratched," says Sharon Jensen, executive director of the Alliance for Inclusion in the Arts.
Based in New York City, the Alliance, formerly the Non-Traditional Casting Project (NTCP), is a national nonprofit established in 1986 to address and seek solutions to racism and exclusion in theatre, film, and television... > > > "Often our work is behind the scenes and under the radar. We get involved, not only in New York City where we are based, but all over the country." The Alliance has consulted on such projects as Academy Award–winning "There Will Be Blood" and NBC's "Law & Order: Criminal Intent." "We worked with the executive producer of "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" on the episode 'Silencer,' which was about a murder on a deaf campus," Jensen explains. "They employed 51 deaf actors for that episode, seven as principals and 44 background actors. That's unprecedented." > > >
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 15, 2008 9:58:44 GMT -5
Are we supposed to infer the sister left and NEVER made contact again? Who expects their sister to live at home forever otherwise? What a Stalinist group....
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 15, 2008 11:14:50 GMT -5
Are we supposed to infer the sister left and NEVER made contact again? Who expects their sister to live at home forever otherwise? What a Stalinist group.... It was vague, how & why she left her family. It sounded like she hasn't kept up any contact with her brother at all, none. His deafness may have nothing to do with it. She could have hated her parents or her home & losing all contact with her brother is the fallout.
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Post by deathroe on Mar 15, 2008 17:31:55 GMT -5
Aaa, this episode makes me cry. All it needs is a "too late" to send it over the edge *s*
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Post by Techguy on Mar 27, 2008 21:15:35 GMT -5
Courtesy of www.thereelvincentdonofrio.com this blog commentary on the episode:Memorable Moments on Set
While casting background actors for Law & Order: Criminal Intent, I have been given many difficult scenes. We have needed 150 people for a Korean airport, 50 military cadets with shaved heads, several Pakistani actors for a themed episode, and a dozen Playboy bunny types for an episode based on Anna Nicole Smith! But the most difficult episode to cast by far focused on the deaf community.
Criminal Intent wanted to pay tribute to the deaf community and involve them in the shoot. All of the parts billed as “speaking parts,” required sign language and real actors who were really deaf. The show also wanted as many deaf extras possible.
I learned how tightly knit the deaf community was when I started researching and posting casting calls. I got in touch with universities with large deaf programs, as well as deaf support group sites. Once I posted a few different places, deaf individuals began to copy my casting calls and repost them in other places. Soon I was receiving numerous emails, as well as phone calls. An operator would moderate between me and the deaf caller. They were the longest phone conversations I’ve ever had.
By the time we had finished shooting the episode I had hired 41 deaf actors, which was the most deaf actors to ever appear in an episode on network television. That didn’t even include the other actors performing sign language, many of whom had deaf family members or taught in the deaf community. There was even one teacher who drove down in a van from RIT and brought with her a small group of students. All the actors had photos taken with Vincent D’Onofrio and Katherine Erbe!
I went to set on the last day of shooting, when there were 30 deaf actors there. I entered the holding area where they were all waiting to go on set. A production assistant, who knew sign language and was hired to translate, introduced me to the group. Together they all raised their hands and waved them back and forth, which is the deaf sign for applause. Afterwards, everyone got in a line to meet me and thank me for the opportunity.
I received a letter from the RIT teacher a few weeks later that included a card signed by all of the students that participated. Many of them described how the experience had changed their lives. Little did they know, it had changed mine as well. It’s not often in this industry you can really feel like you’ve affected people. On that day, I felt like I had really made a difference
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 24, 2008 8:38:31 GMT -5
Since I had the Bravo station on my TV as a result of last night's weekly mini CI marathon, I caught a rerun of "The West Wing" this morning. One of the characters was played my Marlee Matlin, who we all know is a talented, Oscar winning actress who is completely deaf. Her interpreter was Peter, the NYPD Detective who was the interpreter in "Silencer." Anyone know if Matlin was a recurring character, or just a guest I happened to catch? I really never watched the show.
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Post by susan1212 on Nov 24, 2008 19:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by tjara on Jan 22, 2009 6:45:16 GMT -5
I very much liked the episode when I first saw it a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't bothered by the fact that Bobby could sign so well at the end ot the episode, but that might be attributed to the fact that I watched Albatross a lot and that his basic knowledge of ASL was brought up in that episode, too.
I thought the story was god, a little weak in the end, maybe. I think it would've been better if we had had more foreshadowing as to who could be the murderer.
I very much liked Bobby at the crime scene - picking up the potato and sniffing it - yup, that's Bobby. In the "interrogation room eaves-dropping scene" I had the feeling that Bobby did turn away because he did not want to listen and he understood that it was morally wrong too - seems to be contrary though to the impression of some other people (which makes me wonder if the scene was dubbed correctly?)
I think that this episode should be watched in conjunction with Cold Case - 5x14 "Andy in C Minor". It's the same subject, even a very similar storyline. Together these two eps make a great lineup.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jan 23, 2009 22:20:20 GMT -5
I really liked this episode the first time I saw it, and I like it more each time I watch it. The story begins as one thing and by the end, it's something completely different. Classic CI.
One thing - and I'll warn y'all, this is a little shippy, so non-shippers close your eyes! LOL!
Through this entire episode, the one thing that stands out, separate from the criminal aspect, is Bobby's jealousy. From the moment Peter is on the scene, it's all over his face. At first, I thought it was just professional male-to-male territorial stuff. But upon viewing the episode multiple times, he progresses in his facial expessions to full-fledged, green-eyed monster, and it's because of Peter's homing in on Alex.
He does not like being the odd one out while Peter and Alex are walking side by side, and he makes just the tiniest movement when Alex calls the detective by his first name. And at the ice rink, when Peter won't tell Bobby what Tommy and Malia are saying, he appeals to Alex with his eyes and she says not to put her in the middle. He's clearly bothered by this, but he covers it quickly.
And the end shot, of the two of them side-by-side at the table, with Alex on the end, is interesting. The aria left me feeling so sad for Tommy and Malia, and then, when I see Bobby and Peter sitting there, both looking stricken, it seems that much more poignant. What are they thinking? I'd guess both are definitely upset by the sorrow of the scene they just witnessed. But I wonder, what else is going through their minds? And what is Alex thinking, standing there looking at the two of them?
Hmmmm. . . .
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Post by maherjunkie on Jan 24, 2009 10:45:21 GMT -5
I agree with you, but this episode was political correctness at its most nauseous. A deaf cop? Yeah, likely.
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Post by tjara on Jan 24, 2009 16:14:49 GMT -5
Whom are you referring to, maherjunkie? And actually, I thought it was good to point out that "a jury of peers" would be very different for a deaf person, wouldn't it? Can anyone who hears actually imagine what it's like being deaf? Also, I think this piece was just thrown in to SHOW how "separatist" some deaf people are. I think very few people realize how difficult that situation is. I've been following the newscoverage in Austria recently, because we now have our first deaf congress member - so they have to accomodate the sessions in parlament and there has to be an interpreter. It is now that I learned, that Sign Language has only been a recognized language in Austria as of 2005 (!). And I learned that even in the school for death people, they rarely learn to sign really good, but they work on lip reading and means to hearing. I thought that was somewhat schocking, but it's probably to work against separation. Oh, and look what's on YouTube, if you want to see it: Cold Case "Andy in C Minor" www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoMxTTdDraA&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=-ucOhMmHxlc&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=PnllFtjaj70&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=aOi7s_erV4o&feature=channel
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 24, 2009 18:34:46 GMT -5
............. he appeals to Alex with his eyes and she says not to put her in the middle. He's clearly bothered by this, but he covers it quickly. I thought that asking her to intervene was incredibly uncharacteristic of him. Doesn't that imply that Goren thinks she has some sort of influence with Peter? He was very frustrated many time during this episode. But it's so sweet at the aria when he effectively blows away the need for Peter by doing his own signing. Ah, that's my boy!! I thought Eames was clueless about Peter. It seemed enlightening to her that Ross thought he was a nice guy. Maybe she was just surprised that Ross would mention it.... Not sure. Typical CI ambiguity!! Whatever, in the aria Eames was totally tuned into Goren and they were working as a team as always. And yes, green-eyed monster is stronger than I might have put it, but it fits perfectly!!
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