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Post by blucougar57 on Oct 17, 2005 21:17:49 GMT -5
Can't resist adding my piece to this one. As far as the show goes, Goren and Eames will never and should never be paired up romantically. They are great as partners - they are probably the best cop partnership I've ever seen on TV - but it should never go beyond that. They are great partners and they very clearly mean a lot to each other, but only in terms of very close friends.
As far as I'm concerned, that should be the end of it. If people want more, that is what the fanfics are for. I've read some great fics that make Bobby and Alex very believable as a romantic couple, and yet others that I've read have left me struggling to keep my lunch down.
Personally, I'm not inclined to pair them up myself, but I don't mind reading well-written fics that do so in a believable manner. But as far as the show goes? No, I think any 'shipping' between these two characters should be left strictly to the individual's imagination.
As for the phrase 'slash', I always thought that was for fics that paired up couples of the same sex.... Oh well, shows how much I know...
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Post by BegToDiffer on Oct 18, 2005 21:15:23 GMT -5
RE: Goren and Eames getting together, I don't care where the term came from, as long as this "shipper" sinks!
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 20, 2005 0:02:53 GMT -5
...Slash apparently came from STAR TREK fanfiction that suggested a homosexual relationship between Spock and Kirk, and my understanding is that "slash" always refers to gay relationships. As always, I could be wrong. Patcat In at least some circles of fandom, Kirk/Uhura fiction (Classic Trek), Avon/Dana (Blake’s 7), and other hetero pairings that weren’t originally part of a given series, would also have been included in slash fiction. But you’re right that slash came more and more to mean sexual pairings of male leads throughout media fandom (everything from Kirk/Spock to Starsky/Hutch, Blake/Avon and even more unlikely pairings). Of course, these stories were virtually all written by hetero women, and one of the male leads was generally written as a thinly disguised version of the writer, so any resemblance to a gay relationship was... distant. And if you think shipper fanfic is weak on staying in-character... slash didn’t even come that close. The stuff was psychologically and sociologically interesting – especially from a feminist perspective – but, like most fanfic, it was certainly not something I would read for pleasure because I liked the characters it claimed to be based on. And for those who’ve transferred the “shipper” construction to slash... they were never called “slashers,” and I really think “slash fan” sounds bad enough. But back to Goren & Eames shippers... I can understand it being an appealing fantasy. But as far as the actual characters on the series go, there’s never been the slightest hint of that kind of attraction or relationship between them, and I sincerely hope there never is. I think one thread like this one is fine. People should be able to ask questions and give opinions about the idea. But like others here, I hope people take any actual shipper writings/speculations to the fanfic boards or other forums where such speculations are more the norm.
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Post by VDOGrl on Oct 25, 2005 17:43:05 GMT -5
Yes, patcat, you're right on all counts.
I too, am a Goren/Eames shipper.
I'm on Amorous Intent on Yahoo Groups.
I was also a MSR shipper (Mulder/Scully Romance) when I was a HUGE XPhile.
;D
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Post by culturevulture73 on Oct 25, 2005 21:17:41 GMT -5
And for those who’ve transferred the “shipper” construction to slash... they were never called “slashers,” and I really think “slash fan” sounds bad enough.
What fandom are you coming from? Slashers is common parlance for those who came out of 'zines.
Shipper is what I don't get being used for a slash pairing, since the first time I saw ship used was XF fandom and it was Mulder/Scully.
But to get back on topic, I'm not even a big Goren Eames fan but trust me, you don't want romance onscreen. cf X-Files. Because even if you want to see them together, if you think the fighting about Logan v. Goren is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet!
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 25, 2005 23:15:36 GMT -5
Hi, CultureVulture,
I came from Classic Trek/Dr. Who/general media fandom. I got into fandom by noticing an Uhura fanzine that someone had in the locker room at the hospital where I used to work. I asked her if it was her zine, and something about the way she said “Yes” made me look twice... it was her zine not just in the sense that she owned it, but in the sense that she published it. She later published Blake’s 7 zines, as well – and I have stories, poems, songs and art in some of them. She got me going to cons (conventions), and introduced me to filksongs (science fiction ‘folk songs’), which was what really got me hooked on fandom.
I went to cons, from the East Coast to as far west as Minneapolis – occasionally the more book-oriented science fiction cons, including a World Con in Baltimore, but mostly Trek, Dr. Who, or general media cons. I was especially into filking – I played guitar, wrote filksongs, and spent many a night participating in all-night round-robin filksings. I worked at what was probably the biggest Dr. Who con ever put on in the US – working security and helping to run the celebrity guest courtesy suite – so I got to meet just about everyone connected with the show, from the producer and 5 or 6 companions to Doctors number 2 through 5 (#4 was my favorite Doctor, but #5 was the nicest of the bunch in person – one of those people who actually notices ‘the help’ and gives a genuine “thank you”). I also wrote for and/or co-edited for some Dr. Who and Blake’s 7 zines – but I was never into slash zines. I certainly heard plenty about them, and even read a few, in an attempt to understand the phenomenon (which was being discussed among feminist writers and people interested in feminist and gay literature); but I don’t ever remember hearing the term “slasher.” Still, I accept your correction – I’m sure there are many things I don’t remember about those years! Although it may also be possible that ‘slasher’ became common after I stopped being very active in fandom. I was primarily active between '79 and '87, so it’s been a while. In any case, I withdraw my comment about not using ‘slasher’ (though I don’t think I’ll ever really warm up to the term).
What aspects of fandom have you been active in?
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Post by culturevulture73 on Oct 31, 2005 22:13:45 GMT -5
RE: slasher and slash fan: It might have become more prevalent later, since slash has really...okay, ignore the cliche here...come out of the closet since net fic took off. From your con background, I bet we know a lot of the same folks How did you avoid the Big Blake's 7 War? I got into fandom around 1985, mainly zines, then the magical Net came along (I can still remember getting to the X-Files site then at Ohio State and thinking "all this lovely fic for free!"). I've been through lots of small fandoms then heavily into X-Files, in which I think we invented every fight that other fandoms now fight... But yeah, I got into slash in X-Files but really in L&O and there are folks who call themselves slashers.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Nov 8, 2005 2:46:33 GMT -5
when i first started watching the show, i was open to the idea, but after almost four & a half seasons of watching them together i'd have to vote negitive. Not for the sake of professionalism; but from what i understand, Mr. Wolf likes to make his cop shows as 'true' as possible to the real thing, i doubt he would pair them together romantically. Lastly, goren & eames are hopless opposites, its a miricle they get on as partners & (parhaps) friends, let alone on the next level. Well-written fics are hard to find, too! Esp when the characters are written out of character, because they're characters are good as they are & there is just enough mystery around them to allow for elaboration. I hope that i didnt burst your bubble too badly
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Post by Cassie on Nov 8, 2005 17:44:20 GMT -5
I have always seen Goren and Eames as work buddies, no romance between the two of them, but I really think it would be kind of neat if they showed the two of them rough housing over something. Like Goren discovering a romantic note on her desk from another Detective. And holds it over her head. While reaching for it, she grabs his wallet and steals his library card. The two are wrestling trying to grab each others possessions falling onto a desk. Making a commotion only to look up and see Logan and Barrek starring at them in disbelief. I don’t know …..I see something like that happening before a romantic encounter
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Post by Christian on Nov 8, 2005 22:38:19 GMT -5
This is most likely just a repeat of everything already stated but...oh well.
Goren and Eames getting together on the show would add enough soap to clean every child in every third world country around the entire world. It just wouldn't fit.
CI is about the cases and as much as we love the characters, focusing some screen time on to their personal relationships would just be a bad idea. That is not what people initially watch the show for. Whether or not they change their opinions later...
Fanfiction is the place for those types of things. The show is not.
Not to mention that they would not be allowed to be partners anymore and that Dick Wolf would never allow it.
Of course this is all in my own opinion.
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Post by barb on Nov 13, 2005 12:12:57 GMT -5
no the same here i cannot see them romantically involved with one and another because if it did it would spoil their partnership together and we would not like that to happen
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Nov 14, 2005 0:32:28 GMT -5
This is most likely just a repeat of everything already stated but...oh well. Goren and Eames getting together on the show would add enough soap to clean every child in every third world country around the entire world. It just wouldn't fit. LOL christian, the slug of soda i i took just before reading your post almost came out my nose i was laughing so hard! You are right of course, & i think we have enough 'soap' as it is (just check out daytime TV) *Sigh* Can't a man & a woman be friends on a TV show anymore without people lining up to pair them off? There is nothing but plutonic feelings in this relationship. Some of my local LOCI fan buddies & i were debating this over drinks the other night & one of them brought up the episode 'Semi-Detatched'. She said that Eames' reaction when she saw that Bobby was already at Nelda's apartment was a jealous one because how she said "Now you can explain to me just what you're doing here.". I ask you fans to chime in on what she actually MEANT? was she plutonicly jealous? Or was her stern tone a warning to Bobby not to breach the membranes of professionalism? Did she really think that he had romantic feelings for the looney nurse? Or did she merely think he had put too much of his heart into the case by pittying the poor woman?
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Post by Patcat on Nov 14, 2005 8:15:47 GMT -5
Eames knew Goren was going to be at Nelda's ex-husband's home. The detectives were playing her, so I think we need to view anything in those scenes accordingly.
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Nov 14, 2005 9:33:29 GMT -5
That is my take on that scene - it was all planned - and that was an ACT on Alex's part to hoodwink the bad guys.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 14, 2005 11:19:47 GMT -5
Of course, that's not to say Eames' anger with Goren allowing himself to get dragged into Nelda's fantasy didn't feed Eames' performance more than a bit.
Patcat
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