Goren & Eames

[scififan01]

Hi I'm a newbie here. I've read a few posts here so far and I sense that the general mood on this board is anti-Goren/Eames as a romantic pairing. At the risk of someone labelling me "childish" for asking, is there anyone on this board that is a Goren/Eames shipper?

I was just wondering because there seem to be a lot of shippy sites on the 'Net considering the fact that I've not found many shippers on message boards.

p.s. I guess you may want to know whether I'm a Goren/Eames shipper. Currently I'm fence-sitting. BTW I don't mean to sound negative or anything but I just don't want anyone to think that I'm going to start saying silly things like 'Goren's so hot!' or 'Would Alex have Bobby's baby?'

[Metella]

ha ha ha Well, Goren is hot in most poster's eyes. I used to think so & now not so much. But I am still a fan. I am of the "I see no sexual attraction between them" corner; but I know that there are sites out there that really go wild on the possibilities. I think we do have a few posters that feel there is a G/E attraction; and a few more that are, like you, fence sitting on the issue - waiting for more tidbits to be dropped by the writers.

Welcome to the board.

[Patcat]

I must confess that the romantic in me is a bit of a shipper...and I've even added to the reams of fanfiction in this area.

Practically, though--I don't think so. Both of them are married to their careers. I can't see Eames as endangering her career with a relationship. I can't see Goren endangering the friendship (I do think they're very close friends).

Patcat

[Summerfield]

God, please...never ever get them hooked up. One of the things I like about the the L&O franchises is they stick to the formula and story lines. Fan fiction loves to pair gOren and Eames...almost to the point of nausea. I've read such things as "Alex baby, I want you." Can anyone here imagine Bobby gOren saying baby? I think not.

[maherjunkie]

Not by the show, though the dreamer in me likes to think that he could, esp. Goren the younger. Still on the fence, buthold out for an "Avengers" style possibility.

[NicoleMarie]

I hope they never hook up Goren and Eames. We have enough soap with Nicole as it is.

[scififan01]

Sometimes I do think that Goren is quite attractive but I think it's more his personality than his looks to be honest. I've seen all of season 1, most of season 2 and few episodes of season 3 (I'm English so we're a bit behind with episodes over here!). I couldn't agree more with the Nicole thing. Personally I think the only things that made the whole fiasco watchable were Eames' line about 'Elizabeth Hitchens/Nicole Wallace whoever the hell you are' which cracked me up for some reason and the look on Eames and Goren's faces when they went 'shoe shopping' together - could they have looked more awkward in character? (Don't get me wrong, I don't think they'd make that terrible a couple if they ever did hook up but could you imagine either of them shopping for overpriced shoes?!? It was like watching L&O doing an episode of the Twilight Zone!)

Oh, and I certainly don't think that Bobby would ever call anyone 'baby' unless he was doing his 'I'm-in-character' thing that he does with suspects.

[janetcatbird]

Goren and Eames as a couple? BARF!! Sorry, that's my own personal reaction. I mean no offense to the shippers, I'm sure they have their own reasons. Much as Eames likes Goren and can work with him as a cop partner, I think he'd drive her insane if they tried to make it too romantic. And Goren, too, would probably get irritated that Eames doesn't share many of his interests outside of policework so what would they have to talk about?

I also can't see the possibility of any "Avengers" style ambiguity, Maherjunkie. I love Steed and Mrs. Peel, and though I also like Eames and Goren they're nowhere near that cool/sophisticated. (Though I could see that kind of thing with a different set of L&O characters, but that don't belong here.)

However, I can easily imagine a double-date, or at the very least, Goren serving as the acid test for any of Eames' companions if she should start to wonder about getting serious. Again, family is skewing my perspective. My mom had a decidedly not romantic friend, not anything like Goren personality wise but he helped serve as an objective check after she went through a string of dating jerks. Apparently when she brought the man-who-would-be-Dad to the friend for a dinner get-together, Friend reassured her "Yeah, you can keep this one". So, to make a long story short, Eames would probably trust Goren's detached opinion that "He's a decent guy" or "Lose his sorry butt". Would she do something just because Goren said so? Nuh-uh, but she'd listen to his opinion.

--Catbird

[Sirenna]

LOL to this whole thread but keep it going if you must!

[Metella]

say, I know from context that shipper means something like getting the leads of show in bed together - but can anyone really explain the word and the meaning to me? thanks in advance

[Observer2]

Shipper comes from relationship. Someone who wants the two leads to have a romantic relationship –> relationshipper –> shipper.

It’s actually an improvement over the word fandom used to use for shippers – slash fans. It sounds gruesome, but actually came from the fact that people who wrote that kind of fanfiction would identify it by joining the character’s names with a slash. So shipper fanfic about Goren and Eames would have been called Goren/Eames fic, and the whole genre of shipper fanfic was called slash fanfic.

[NicoleMarie]

Someone told me "shipper" was an Australian slang term for wanting the leads together. Eh, I avoid fanfic like the plague anyway. ;D

[Patcat]

My understanding was that the term "shipper" came from X-FILES fans who sought a relationship between Mulder and Scully.

Slash apparently came from STAR TREK fanfiction that suggested a homosexual relationship between Spock and Kirk, and my understanding is that "slash" always refers to gay relationships.

As always, I could be wrong.

Patcat

[janetcatbird]

Well, I knew that the Mulder/Scully shippers on "X-Files" were especially notorious, but whether they just made the term famous or invented the phrase I dunno. (Never saw the show.) Never heard of "slashers". And Television Without Pity has the HoYay and HetYay, but as I just lurk there I probably wouldn't be the best one to give the detailed nuances. I tend to steer clear of fan-fic, what little I've seen has way too many middle-school connotations for me. Besides, it's much more fun to argue about what you've seen than to try to reinvent the wheel.

--Catbird

[Techguy]

I know I'm getting old when I find myself unable (or is it unwilling?) to stay on top of all the latest slang lingo especially related to Internet chatdom. But reading through this thread has been very educational as well as quite entertaining.

With all due respect to the shipper/slashers, and fanfic devotees who are wishing and hoping for a Goren and Eames coupling...PUH---LEEZE. Barf is too kind a word to describe it. Of course, there are the Bobby and Nicole matchmakers, but having Goren and Eames go at it would be soaping up CI beyond repair. Would I be out of line if I ask to keep this sort of thing confined to the Fantasyland of fan fiction where it belongs?

OK, all kidding and ranting aside, there are some very practical reasons why Goren and Eames would be a no-go. Aside from the fact that his quirkiness and her by-the-book pragmatism wouldn't mesh, there is the matter of the minefield office relationships would present. Dating a co-worker has inherent dangers related to...what happens if the relationship doesn't work? And in law enforcement the stresses and pressures would be magnified.

Bottom line is, Goren and Eames like and respect one another too much to jeopardize their friendshp and working partnership by getting involved with each other. Even if either or both were interested or tempted to explore it, both are married to their MCS careers and wouldn't want to do anything that could possibly involve one or the other having to transfer out if the relationship got too cozy or went sour.

And so for all the above reasons, I just don't see any romantic relationship being suggested or being developed between them.