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Post by Patcat on Mar 12, 2005 23:36:00 GMT -5
Well, as a lot of you know by now, I'm a big Sherlock Holmes fan. So, if there are any others...
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Post by michael on Mar 12, 2005 23:40:36 GMT -5
Patcat: Count me in. (Should I "take precautions", or simply bring Toby...) I've been wanting to re-read some Holmes lately, and since they're "short" stories, I should be able to find some time... Just name the title...
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Post by M on Mar 21, 2005 21:34:28 GMT -5
I too am fan of Holmes.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 21, 2005 22:33:13 GMT -5
"M"--that's an interesting name for a Holmes fan. Mycroft or Moriarty?
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Post by M on Mar 23, 2005 2:55:04 GMT -5
Just M will surfice, no need to go into specifics just yet.
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Post by Metella on Mar 23, 2005 13:09:23 GMT -5
These two literary topic are very popular .... if any of us want to start a thread - kinda like a book club of a book we may want to read and discuss and why .... I'm for that - so if we have enough others who are interested; let me know.
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Post by coth on May 5, 2005 0:29:51 GMT -5
I am also a Sherlock Holmes fan, I tend to read the Canon,as the Baker Street Irregulars call it, about once a year. The atmosphere of the books tends to send one back into a time and place that is familiar and peaceful, yet still has crimes of passion committed in all sorts of settings. Although Holmes is a very complicated character, especially for the time these books were written, he is precursor to most of the latter day detectives that I find interesting. Including Goren.
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Post by E. McCoy on Nov 9, 2005 8:39:58 GMT -5
Hello all, most of you should know by now that I too am a fan of Sherlock Holmes. I own the paper back vol. 1 and 2 which I have read and re-read since their purchase in the summer of 1995. Each time I read them I feel transported back to the Victorian era. So much so that I swear I can hear Hansom cabs out in the street....
I also have a large edition containing all the stories, and novels.
Several films: The Seven Percent Solution, The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, Case of Evil (on it's way), not to mention several of the Jeremy Brett Holmes episodes too.
One of the best finds I have would have to be the Encyclopedia Sherlockiana....pick it up if you have not already.
So good and as some of you have pointed out in other threads some of the CI eps. have similarities to the Canon stories.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 9, 2005 10:16:18 GMT -5
Just a warning about the ENCYCLOPEDIA SHERLOCKIANA, if it's the one recently published. It's full of errors, such as getting Jeremy Brett's birth date wrong.
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Post by E. McCoy on Nov 9, 2005 10:21:05 GMT -5
No no, my copy has the correct date and such. Trust me it is something I check with all of those books.
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Post by digresser on Nov 10, 2005 5:26:09 GMT -5
Count me in!
I enjoy Sherlock Holmes a great deal, although I am definitely an amateur when it comes to trivia and whatnot. Although, I once had a goldfish named Moriarty. It's Goren's resemblances to Holmes that first hooked me on Criminal Intent (Monk, CSI, Touching Evil, The Zero Effect, and The Great Mouse Detective are also works whose Sherlockian influences have gotten me hooked). Now, though, Goren has certainly distinguished himself from Holmes.
My favorite books are, of course, the canon, but I will torment myself sometimes and read other authors' renditions. There are times when it can be rewarding. King's Beekeeper's Apprentice series has its moments; Sherlock Holmes and the Fall River Tragedy (Lizzie Borden) is interesting ; and Sherlock in Love was not quite as bad as I had feared. But then, I'd expected the gates of hell to appear when I opened the book, so...
As for films, I too enjoy Jeremy Brett as Holmes, though in an ironic twist of fate, I was forced to tape over most of my Holmes episodes with...you guessed it...Criminal Intent. Oh how I long for the day when I cease being a poor college student and can afford duplicate VHS. If they're still making them, that is.
I can't say I loved A Case of Evil (I hate it when Holmes is depicted as having love interests), but I'm glad I saw it. I also enjoyed and recommend the films Without a Clue and Young Sherlock Holmes. They're both loving tributes.
Anyway, I've gushed enough. I'd love to learn more and discuss Sherlock Holmes with you more knowledgeable folks. I do have the complete works so if a reading discussion group ever happens, please count me in. I do have one quick question. Was Sherlock Holmes left or right-handed? I seem to recall reading both, but I can't remember. Perhaps Moriarty was the lefty? Thanks!
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Post by E. McCoy on Nov 10, 2005 7:15:15 GMT -5
Yes Case of Evil was kind of a bore, perhaps VDO would have been better as the Great Detective!! Young Sherlock Holmes!!! I loved this movie so much that I may have worn out the tape...ooopps! I think Holmes was a righty (well all actors I've seen portraying him have been when they show him shooting up). I shall have to look into this more!
Anytime anoyone wants to start with the discussing I'm game.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 10, 2005 8:37:06 GMT -5
Jeremy Brett was lefthanded but played Holmes righthanded.
I have a perverse fondness for A CASE OF EVIL. It's really not a Sherlock Holmes film, and I'd never argue it was a good film, but Mr. D'Onofrio is just having so much FUN. Again, I don't think I'd argue it's a good performance, but you can't take your eyes off him.
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Post by E. McCoy on Nov 10, 2005 22:47:16 GMT -5
VDO is indeed something to watch in this film. As Patcat said you cannot take your eye's off of him. It is a bit of a crap Holmes movie though. I think my fav. VDO scene is where he is shot by Holmes (w/ the cane) He's flat on his back and then sits bolt upright. All I could think was Goren would do that There was a lot of Goren in his Moriarty, or perhaps vice versa.
Did you ever notice that a great many of the non cannon films like to go back to what started the whole Holmes-Moriarty fight?
What did Moriarty do prior to becoming the Napoleon of Crime? Did he do anything at all? If he did anything prior I have never read it. I was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts.
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Post by digresser on Nov 11, 2005 2:23:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Patcat & E. McCoy! And I do agree, Vincent D'Onofrio did seem to be having a lot of fun in A Case of Evil, and that is what makes it good. Did anyone happen to see last month's Masterpiece Theater with Rupert Everett portraying the great detective? My PBS station didn't show it, alas.
As for Moriarty, here's what Holmes says in The Final Problem: " "His career has been an extraordinary one. He is a man of good birth and excellent education, endowed by nature with a phenomenal mathematical faculty. At the age of twenty-one he wrote a treatise upon the Binomial Theorem, which has had a European vogue. On the strength of it he won the Mathematical Chair at one of our smaller universities, and had, to all appearance, a most brilliant career before him. But the man had hereditary tendencies of the most diabolical kind. A criminal strain ran in his blood, which, instead of being modified, was increased and rendered infinitely more dangerous by his extraordinary mental powers. Dark rumors gathered round him in the university town, and eventually he was compelled to resign his chair and to come down to London, where he set up as an army coach. So much is known to the world, but what I am telling you now is what I have myself discovered."
Personally, I think Moriarty was busy spelunking. It seems a small transition to go from master spelunker to Napoleon of Crime. ;D
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