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Post by Patcat on Jul 3, 2008 14:54:54 GMT -5
DonnaJo--Well, we've always managed to be civil, I think, except maybe me on those mornings where my blood sugar is low and I haven't had my caffeine infusion (g).
I think Deakins was very much a political animal at the start of his tenure as the head of Major Case, but, like Ross, there's a fundamental core of decency and goodness at his center. I think Goren and Eames brought that core out. Look at in some ways, I think an argument could be made that Goren and Eames saved Deakins' soul. And maybe they're doing the same for Ross. 'Course, they may have to save each other's souls first.
Patcat
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 3, 2008 15:04:54 GMT -5
DonnaJo--Well, we've always managed to be civil, I think, except maybe me on those mornings where my blood sugar is low and I haven't had my caffeine infusion (g). I think Deakins was very much a political animal at the start of his tenure as the head of Major Case, but, like Ross, there's a fundamental core of decency and goodness at his center. I think Goren and Eames brought that core out. Look at in some ways, I think an argument could be made that Goren and Eames saved Deakins' soul. And maybe they're doing the same for Ross. 'Course, they may have to save each other's souls first. Patcat Isn't it ironic that the police officer whom everyone looked up to, admired and revered (Frank Adair), the cop on the fast track to the top, a real success story, the man with the juice, was a cheating, lying, scheming, manipulating murderer.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 3, 2008 16:26:53 GMT -5
DonnaJo--Well, we've always managed to be civil, I think, except maybe me on those mornings where my blood sugar is low and I haven't had my caffeine infusion (g). I think Deakins was very much a political animal at the start of his tenure as the head of Major Case, but, like Ross, there's a fundamental core of decency and goodness at his center. I think Goren and Eames brought that core out. Look at in some ways, I think an argument could be made that Goren and Eames saved Deakins' soul. And maybe they're doing the same for Ross. 'Course, they may have to save each other's souls first. Patcat Isn't it ironic that the police officer whom everyone looked up to, admired and revered (Frank Adair), the cop on the fast track to the top, a real success story, the man with the juice, was a cheating, lying, scheming, manipulating murderer. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. And OT, congrats Donnajo for becoming a Lieutentant! I've just made Detective and I'm feeling the need to salute you!
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 3, 2008 20:24:57 GMT -5
Here is the tally so far: 1) Hot tub Harry in The Wee Small Hours 2) Frank Adair in My Good Name (thanks Patcat for refreshing my memory!) 3) Copa in Amends. Goren uncovered the medical condition that forced his retirement. 4) Stoats in Purgatory 5) Melagra in Purgatory. 6)and 7) Ex-cops from Badge 8) Mike Starr in Monster. 9) And yes, I'm hopping ahead here. Kathy in Betrayed. (the rat couldn't have come from her as the timing came after Purgatory). 10) Stovic in Crazy (he was a suspended cop who killed the for the wacko forensic psychologist played by Michael Gross - How fortuitous that Mystery channel showed that today! ) Thanks to those with minds like steel traps for adding to the list! Any other candidates? That belt is getting thinner with the notching. (Better requisition a pair of suspenders - yech. Did I mention I like belts?) ;D 11) John Hampton in The Insider - okay, he was FBI..... so probably not a good candidate for the rat patrol. And you can certainly see that things were not really smooth with Deakins in this episode. I'd never caught the disparaging "magic gut" reference before today. The Goren/Deakins relationship sure changed for the better over the years. P.S. I corrected item 10 - the epi was entitled Crazy (not The Good Doctor - sorry!)
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 3, 2008 21:07:55 GMT -5
I loved it when Deakins referred to Bobby as "The Magic Gut". It sounded rather affectionate, even if it was said in mild frustration.
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 4, 2008 0:25:57 GMT -5
Quietfireca - I’m not sure if you are really looking for an answer to your question - “what is the spark of hope?”, but if you are, I saw the spark in Robert when he seemed to think Leslie was interested in him. I see is as a spark of hope because in the midst of all his turmoil, he is still considering “a regular life”. If your question was rhetorical, ignore what I just said. Thanks Susan, no it wasn't rhetorical. I wasn't really looking for a particular example in Goren's life, but rather a general description of that stage of grieving.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 4, 2008 7:06:45 GMT -5
And OT, congrats Donnajo for becoming a Lieutentant! I've just made Detective and I'm feeling the need to salute you! I didn't notice the promotion, so thank you, OBC. And congrats on making Detective. ;D Sadly, what you said about Frank Adair being revered is all true prevalent everywhere. I've seen in both my own dealings with jobs & those of my husband, that the lying, manipulative brown noser seems to move up the ladder, and that those who have virtue and question what is wrong are ignored for promotion or let go so as not to rock the applecart.
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Post by magra9 on Jul 4, 2008 15:55:51 GMT -5
I think that someone of MCS put the rat on Goren's desk. I guess that Stoat's friend put that or maybe Copa. But I am sure that this is not good.
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 4, 2008 20:59:31 GMT -5
I think that someone of MCS put the rat on Goren's desk. I guess that Stoat's friend put that or maybe Copa. But I am sure that this is not good. Well it's certainly someone with access to MCS. I'm trying to remember if Stoats had a visitor pass on when he plopped his big feet on Goren's desk. Does anyone know how public MCS is? It must be pretty limited access. And welcome to posting magra9! - you can see magra9's very cool LOCI videos on YouTube. When you need to see some scene's from Purgatory check out her Not My Time video. (These things are very important when your DVR has erased your epis!)
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 4, 2008 22:26:26 GMT -5
I think that someone of MCS put the rat on Goren's desk. I guess that Stoat's friend put that or maybe Copa. But I am sure that this is not good. Well it's certainly someone with access to MCS. The more I read these posts the more I think it was someone not high up. A fellow cop or detective who, being part of the police brotherhood, has talked it up with his counterparts and decided to let Goren know his actions against fellow officers has not gone unnoticed or appreciated. And will not be tolerated. That there will be pay back at some point. Are these fellow detectives at Major Case? Perhaps, but it could also be a cop from some other precinct who has friends at Major Case and therefore access to that floor. Good cops, bad cops it doesn't seem to matter. What IS relevant is that they are all part of the club/brotherhood and as such will be protected by their peers on the force. They have the "got your back" mentality. Goren is seen as the enemy. He is attacking them. I doubt this will just go away.....
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Post by eva on Jul 5, 2008 14:01:08 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember if Stoats had a visitor pass on when he plopped his big feet on Goren's desk. Does anyone know how public MCS is? It must be pretty limited access. As far as I remember he wore something that at least looked like a visitor pass. I really don't think you just can walk into that building. Or into any other precint. Well, there could be ways, though. Especially for someone like him. But like I wrote before, it didn't look like there was something wrong. The rat. That could have been anyone. Another cop for sure. Brotherhood was mentionend before. Diablodeblanco's post sums it up perfectly, I think. Gosh, I'm so out of practice. I hope my english isn't too bad after so much years
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 5, 2008 15:10:33 GMT -5
Welcome Eva. Very nice first post and your English is just fine. I agree with you, that Stoat was notified via his female partner that MC was looking into him, so he obtained a Visitors Pass & went up. He is still a cop, albeit a suspended one.
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Post by Techguy on Jul 9, 2008 21:25:01 GMT -5
I'm trying to get caught up viewing the new episodes in the order they were shown. Here's my two cents after taking this episode on and browsing the previous comments.
I didn't know what to expect from the new G/E episodes after months of waiting, and I have to say I wasn't disappointed. I feel this episode dealt very favorably with the inner conflicts and demons going on with both detectives and the unresolved issues in their partnership and in their private lives. I enjoyed the plot twists and turns, and am VERY curious about whether Goren would have done a line of cocaine--not to mention kill the snitch drug dealer--to maintain his cover, if not for the sudden unexpected interruptions.
My only complaint is the scene where the wire was discovered on the drug dealer. The perps should have known that if an informant was wired, the cops would be listening in. So I'm a bit confused as to why they went ahead with their plans to force Goren to execute the snitch instead of just getting the heck out of there before the police arrived. And while my first thought when Goren and Eames pulled their guns on each other that this was a bit over-the-top, after some consideration I concluded that maybe Goren wasn't paranoid after all, and perhaps there is a coterie of higher-ups in the NYPD who secretly wouldn't mind if Goren died in the line of duty. Is it possible Goren's gallows humor remark to Ross that the Chief of Detectives wanted him dead is true? Has Frank Adair reached out from his prison cell again to try to destroy the best detective in MCS? What a cruel irony, after all of Goren's efforts to be re-instated on the force and get back on the job because that's about all he has left to sustain him after his personal troubles nearly crushed him. And to find out he's regarded as a rat, and therefore not to be trusted, must be a huge blow.I just figured out who put the rat there! Nicole, clearly!! Thank you Deathroe for a terrific LOL moment in Goren's darkest hour. Are we being set up for a return engagement by the UO, to add further insult to Goren's injury? I hope my eyes hold up long enough to see me--and Goren--through to the end of this season.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 9, 2008 22:32:23 GMT -5
I'm trying to get caught up viewing the new episodes in the order they were shown. Here's my two cents after taking this episode on and browsing the previous comments.
I didn't know what to expect from the new G/E episodes after months of waiting, and I have to say I wasn't disappointed. I feel this episode dealt very favorably with the inner conflicts and demons going on with both detectives and the unresolved issues in their partnership and in their private lives. I enjoyed the plot twists and turns, and am VERY curious about whether Goren would have done a line of cocaine--not to mention kill the snitch drug dealer--to maintain his cover, if not for the sudden unexpected interruptions.
My only complaint is the scene where the wire was discovered on the drug dealer. The perps should have known that if an informant was wired, the cops would be listening in. So I'm a bit confused as to why they went ahead with their plans to force Goren to execute the snitch instead of just getting the heck out of there before the police arrived. And while my first thought when Goren and Eames pulled their guns on each other that this was a bit over-the-top, after some consideration I concluded that maybe Goren wasn't paranoid after all, and perhaps there is a coterie of higher-ups in the NYPD who secretly wouldn't mind if Goren died in the line of duty. Is it possible Goren's gallows humor remark to Ross that the Chief of Detectives wanted him dead is true? Has Frank Adair reached out from his prison cell again to try to destroy the best detective in MCS? What a cruel irony, after all of Goren's efforts to be re-instated on the force and get back on the job because that's about all he has left to sustain him after his personal troubles nearly crushed him. And to find out he's regarded as a rat, and therefore not to be trusted, must be a huge blow.I just figured out who put the rat there! Nicole, clearly!! Thank you Deathroe for a terrific LOL moment in Goren's darkest hour. Are we being set up for a return engagement by the UO, to add further insult to Goren's injury? I hope my eyes hold up long enough to see me--and Goren--through to the end of this season. Glad to see you back here. You were missed.
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Post by deathroe on Jul 9, 2008 22:35:14 GMT -5
I am glad to know that someone else with discernment feels this might be the case. I think though that I've finally put my finger on why that bothers me so much. It is out of line with classic L&O, where both for the Law and Order sides there were corrupt members but never a corrupt body. I feel, again, that this reflects a general cynicism in society, to have not merely certain detectives but Major Case itself be that way. I hope they find some way to pull the protagonists out of this darkness and restore them to grace and health.
Speaking of health--Techguy, I hope that your eyes are recovering well!
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