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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 29, 2009 8:00:21 GMT -5
I don't think that we can or should hold VDO to comments made years ago. Wasn't this comment made during an OZ interview when he was discussing a mini series he was developing there? Before he and Carin reconciled and before the birth of little Luka?
VDO made a few statements years ago about how we would never meet Goren's mother and how they would never go very personal with the character. Obviously he changed his mind about that.
A small, recurring role on a NY based drama would fit nicely into his family life. One vastly different from Goren. One that would leave him free to pursue other things. Maybe in a year or two(or three).
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Post by caitlen on Nov 30, 2009 1:53:26 GMT -5
Rene was head writer at that time, so Warren Light had different ideas on where he was going with it when he took over. As Vincent has alway`s said, he doesnt get involved with the writers or scripts, he just works a scene physically, he doesnt change the writers ideas or scripts per se. I do remember the ideas he had for a mini series he pitched to Ten Network, where he was going to live in Australia for 6 months of the year. He was going to write, direct, produce and act in it, and have only Australian actors and crew working on it! The comments on never doing a tv series in the US again was Vincent not agreeing with the way things are done, he has expressed himself a lot on that issue, many times. As for these other actors up for the Goren character, all i ever knew on it was this, ive never seen anything written on those others you speak of. Quote: Balcer: None of us went out and saw Vince D'Onofrio, we were going through names and thought someone like Vincent was just beyond our grasp. He was a fully employed, very popular feature film actor there was no sound reason in the universe why he would hook his wagon to something like a TV series with its 12-15 hour work days, 5 days a week, 8 months ( laughs) a year. Quote: DW: We met in New York, I told him ( Vincent) what the character was, and he said "We can really do that every week?" I said "yeah we can really do that every week" and he said "Well, that I would like to do". Quote: Courtney B Vance: "The show is evolved to be focused around Vince's character, so Vince is like "no this doesn't make sence", so you have to tell us why it doesn't make sence, and most of the time he's right..... the intensity that ends up being in the room often it....it pays off on the screen" . As for what he will do years down the track, who knows, im sure even Vincent hasnt a clue ;D I dont recall Vincent mentioning any new tv role in his recent interviews, but would love to listen or read the one he does Jfan.
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Post by jeffan on Nov 30, 2009 7:15:54 GMT -5
I would have thought all Vincent fans would have read and remembered this interview: "I turn to something else... TS: Will you be doing more television next? V.D'O: The projects I have for now, are all movies. I had some talks that could bring me back to the small screen, but that will have nothing to do with "Criminal Intent”. And then, it would be a part opposite of Goren." This is why I referred to his comment as vague in a previous post. As OBC previously suggested - look at the French interviews. I also think it is posted on this forum but I don't remember which thread. www.thereelblog.com/2009/10/vincent-donofrio-i-turn-to-something.htmlEdit - Caitlen, you have already read the interview as you posted the full version on this forum yourself on 12 October!
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 30, 2009 7:31:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, Jeffan and Caitlen. Leight did have different ideas than Balcer about Goren. But VDO was actively involved in that decision. I recall VDO saying in an interview before Season 6 started (Leight's first season) that he and Warren sat together and mutually agreed to take Goren on his personal journey. Will try and find the articles.
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Post by trisha on Nov 30, 2009 8:45:23 GMT -5
Caitlen, the most recent mention of other contenders for the job was in the 20th anniversary mothership TV Guide edition I own. There isn't a link, but here is the thread: 20th Anniversary L&OI'll try and find the issue. The various interviews mentioning Liev Schreiber are here on site somewhere, but they are old and are mixed around in various threads. Maybe someone else can find the mentions? I remember when we found out about Liev Schreiber -- not the exact thread, but what interesting news it was because, IIRC, most of us were already fans of Schreiber's, too. I wonder how different the show would have been if he had been our Goren instead of VDO. *stares off wistfully*
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Post by lovebug on Nov 30, 2009 8:57:11 GMT -5
No offense to Liev-he's very talented-but I can't imagine he would have created such an iconic character.
It will be interesting to see what Goldblum does with the Nichols character.
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Post by maherjunkie on Nov 30, 2009 11:35:06 GMT -5
Seeing as how the man was never clear on whether he was divorced or not, I wouldn't hold him to squat.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 30, 2009 14:50:17 GMT -5
Rene was head writer at that time, so Warren Light had different ideas on where he was going with it when he took over. As Vincent has alway`s said, he doesnt get involved with the writers or scripts, he just works a scene physically, he doesnt change the writers ideas or scripts per se. From the way I remember it, Ointmentfly came on this board and told everyone that the format of the show had to change or the show would be canceled. So, I don't necessarily think it was all Warren Leight's decision to go down the "character driven" road he went down. I think if Rene Balcer wasn't requested over at the Motherships writing department, and was still the head writer of the show. He may have been told to go down the same highway, as Warren, but he might have choosen to get off at different exits along the way , And I think VDO loves to do dark drama, and was somewhat thrilled to take Goren out of the supercop status
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 30, 2009 17:34:03 GMT -5
I agree with you Cassie. Based on interviews and general logic, after so many years doing Goren the same way, VDO was itching to take him down a dark & angsty path. ;D
Trisha, I absolutely see the similarities in looks, style, and hotness between VDO & Liev Screiber. Um...may I join you? **stares off wistfully with Trisha**
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Post by trisha on Nov 30, 2009 23:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by Techguy on Dec 1, 2009 15:54:20 GMT -5
I'm not staring wistfully into space, just curious about what Liev Schreiber would have done with the Goren role, wondering whether he would have gone down the dark road, and how far.I also don't think it was all Leight's idea to go for "character driven" episodes. I think VDO was all for it, too, and there was a section of the fan base that wanted it. Of course, they ended up alienating the rest of us ... Sad but true. While some welcomed the opportunity to deconstruct the melodramatic and angsty Goren, others perceived the changes as the destruction of Goren and mourned his passing.
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Post by Patcat on Dec 1, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
I like Liev Schreiber, a very fine actor who I think probably has too much integrity and intelligence to ever be a big star. He's a much more understated actor than Mr. D'Onofrio (not a good or bad thing, just different). Goren would have been a much quieter, but equally tightly wound character.
As to the deconstruction of Goren (or destruction, as same people might say), I enjoyed the trips to his batcave. But they became too much, although I must say I thought FRAME was a brilliant end to the trip.
Patcat
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Post by Cassie on Dec 1, 2009 22:47:29 GMT -5
Trisha, I'm going to have to disagree with you on Ointmentfly. The problem is, the OFly would delete himself after each time he posted, so it is hard to find his post..... However, while looking around I came across the "Siren Call" thread...., there is a dude by the name of CrimeLord, who says the same things as Ointmentfly, "change must be made in order for the show to survive" (Check out the thread) Even Nick50h, spoke up on this thread.....and he said: If I may be allowed to jump in here: Whatever the reasons why Balcer left (and I have a feeling you'll be able to ask him soon right here on this board), even if he had stayed the show would have had to change to adapt to its new time slot. So, I feel we would have seen the same "character driven" drama, but on a different avenue. I won't disagree that the VDO fans were wanting more of a personal relationship. I feel that Warren Leight's team of writers tried to honor ALL of the fans with 'leaving the window open" for interpretation on what was going on with Goren and Eames. You can see that in the season premiere of "Blind Spot"at the end....while Eames is lying in her hospital bed, Goren by her side. Its up to the viewer to decided, are they lovers or friends? So, no I don't think the Leight writing team went out of their way to alienate some of the fans. I feel they really tried to compromise. I think we all choose to alienate each other. Whether we realize it or not. Sides were choosen.....Balcer or Leight writing style. When Leight was writing, some thought he could do no wrong. Heck, I liked the drama, but I didnt care for the Mama's Boy angle I was being fed. Some thought he was ever so heroic while me on one hand I thought it was totaly nausating, and no women (other then his mother) would tolerate the co-dependency behaviour. Though, on the other hand, I liked it....cause as much as I didnt like it.....I was hooked, wondering, waiting for Goren to be reborn, into a stronger man But when Leight left the show...and Balcer came back...Some of the fans that loved Leight, then trashed Leight. Depending on who is in the drivers seat at the LOCI set, you will see who is being alienated. I guess that is just human nature. As for Leiv Schriever.. I checked him out, I am sure I have seen him in a film or two...but I really don't know who he is......Would I have prefered him as Goren to VDO. This week no, a year ago maybe, maybe I would have tried Tim Roth in the role a year ago. Maybe I would like it better if the powers to be, pulled a Dr Who,and just changed the actor playing the character. Instead of creating new Gorens
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Post by Patcat on Dec 2, 2009 10:00:37 GMT -5
Just a gentle correction--Rene Balcer didn't come back to LOCI.
I didn't see the lines drawn quite so strongly between Leight supporters and Balcer supporters. Knowing a little of Mr. Leight's previous work, I wasn't surprised that he began to explore Goren's past, particularly Goren's relationship with his parents. Whether the writers were pressed to do this because of pressure from the producers and networks, I can't say.
Patcat
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Post by Cassie on Dec 4, 2009 17:56:23 GMT -5
Sorry I thought Rene left the show because the mothership needed his help. Then if Rene was still with LOCI, does that mean he was still Warren's boss?
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