Post by Patcat on Jul 9, 2010 8:53:55 GMT -5
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MAGNIFICAT
Will air on the Bravo Cable Network July 11 at 10pm (EST) and July 12 at 2am (EST). First aired November 11, 2004. Episode 7 of Season 4.
Written by Diana Son and Rene Balcer. Directed by Frank Prinzi
Guest Actors:
Carrie Preston as Doreen Whitlock
Sam Robards as Paul Whitlock
Sebastian Vignonc as Adam Whitlock
Synopsis: The investigation of the car bombing deaths of three young boys leads Goren and Eames to the children’s troubled family.
The title refers to a prayer in the Catholic Church, the Song of Mary. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificat
This story is based on the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in a bathtub in her home on June 20, 2001. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
As strange and terrible as this fictional account is, the true story is even more so. There was also a controversy surrounding Dr. Park Dietz, who served as a consultant to LOCI and was one of the models for Goren, and his testimony during Ms. Yates’ trial.
Quotes:
Doreen: “People don’t always get what they deserve.”
Eames: “These little ones never stood a chance.”
Deakins: “Step into ‘em. Hard.”
Deakins: “We had to take this all the way.”
Eames: “I can’t imagine her last words before she blew her kids up.”
Deakins: “Why is good. How is better.”
Eames: “You could hear a blade of grass fall over.”
Eames: “I don’t know about you, but that guy’s starting to stick in my craw.”
Whitlock’s lawyer: “Call off your dogs.” Carver: “I decide when they go back to the kennel.”
Doreen: “I just wanted them to go to heaven. I’d be a better mother in heaven.”
Carver: “We can’t be sure what he did or didn’t know.” Goren: “Yea, we can. We can ask him.”
Goren: “I see why you’re not angry at her. Because she’s a reflection of everything that you’ve done to her.” Paul: “I did nothing but help her.” Goren: “No, you terrorized her! You got kicked around at work, you came home, and you crushed her.” Paul: “I never laid a hand on her!” Goren: “You didn’t have to!”
Goren: “Now see. That’s affect.”
Goren: “Mr. Carver, isn’t there something in this book that can make him take responsibility?” Carver: “Not when I checked this morning, Detective.”
Queries:
Some lively and excellent comments in the original discussion thread for this episode, and I recommend rereading it, especially Techguy, observer2, and janetcatbird’s contributions.
In the original discussion about this episode, there were many questions about whether Paul could be held legally responsible for anything happened. Could he? Was Carver so helpless? Was Paul using Doreen to kill his family?
What was the relationship between Goren and Carver in this episode?
Where is Paul now? Does he have custody of Adam? Would Paul want Adam? Where is Adam, and can he be saved?
Should Goren and Eames have interviewed Adam without a parent or lawyer present?
How did Goren come to know the children’s rights lawyer? Could the grandmother get custody of Adam? Should she?
Should Doreen go to prison? Is she still there? Can she be saved?
How did Doreen and Paul meet? Did he give any signs of his nature before they married?
Did these children ever get to play?
Was money really a problem for the Whitlocks?
Was it odd that Doreen’s mother kept her daughter’s room in the same state as when she left home?
Does Paul think he did anything wrong?
The terrorism angle—Did the detectives jump too quickly on this road? Do the suspects have grounds for a suit?
What is Eames’ reaction to this case?
Another story based on a true story. Is it exploitive?
Comments:
What a sad, terrible story, but extraordinarily well told and acted. Kudos to Carrie Preston, who creates a tragic human being who does a terrible thing and still gains the audience’s sympathy. Kudos also to Sam Robards who plays a horrible man without compromise and with great clarity. You may want to prepare yourself before viewing this view of the dark sides of family life. Thank goodness for the glimmer of hope for the surviving son that shines in the darkness. And note that while everyone else wrings their hands and cries how terrible things are, it’s Robert Goren who takes action to try to save a soul, save a child, and force a man to see the evil he’s done.
Lucky that the space heater was returned to and still at the store.
There’s some wonderful teamwork between Goren and Eames as well. When Bobby comments that a plant is getting too much nitrogen, Alex immediately picks up on it and asks for the soil to be tested, and in the interviews of Adam, Doreen, and Paul, they are in beautiful synchronicity. Eames also notices the milk pump.
Submitted for your consideration, comments, and catcalls.
Patcat
MAGNIFICAT
Will air on the Bravo Cable Network July 11 at 10pm (EST) and July 12 at 2am (EST). First aired November 11, 2004. Episode 7 of Season 4.
Written by Diana Son and Rene Balcer. Directed by Frank Prinzi
Guest Actors:
Carrie Preston as Doreen Whitlock
Sam Robards as Paul Whitlock
Sebastian Vignonc as Adam Whitlock
Synopsis: The investigation of the car bombing deaths of three young boys leads Goren and Eames to the children’s troubled family.
The title refers to a prayer in the Catholic Church, the Song of Mary. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificat
This story is based on the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in a bathtub in her home on June 20, 2001. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
As strange and terrible as this fictional account is, the true story is even more so. There was also a controversy surrounding Dr. Park Dietz, who served as a consultant to LOCI and was one of the models for Goren, and his testimony during Ms. Yates’ trial.
Quotes:
Doreen: “People don’t always get what they deserve.”
Eames: “These little ones never stood a chance.”
Deakins: “Step into ‘em. Hard.”
Deakins: “We had to take this all the way.”
Eames: “I can’t imagine her last words before she blew her kids up.”
Deakins: “Why is good. How is better.”
Eames: “You could hear a blade of grass fall over.”
Eames: “I don’t know about you, but that guy’s starting to stick in my craw.”
Whitlock’s lawyer: “Call off your dogs.” Carver: “I decide when they go back to the kennel.”
Doreen: “I just wanted them to go to heaven. I’d be a better mother in heaven.”
Carver: “We can’t be sure what he did or didn’t know.” Goren: “Yea, we can. We can ask him.”
Goren: “I see why you’re not angry at her. Because she’s a reflection of everything that you’ve done to her.” Paul: “I did nothing but help her.” Goren: “No, you terrorized her! You got kicked around at work, you came home, and you crushed her.” Paul: “I never laid a hand on her!” Goren: “You didn’t have to!”
Goren: “Now see. That’s affect.”
Goren: “Mr. Carver, isn’t there something in this book that can make him take responsibility?” Carver: “Not when I checked this morning, Detective.”
Queries:
Some lively and excellent comments in the original discussion thread for this episode, and I recommend rereading it, especially Techguy, observer2, and janetcatbird’s contributions.
In the original discussion about this episode, there were many questions about whether Paul could be held legally responsible for anything happened. Could he? Was Carver so helpless? Was Paul using Doreen to kill his family?
What was the relationship between Goren and Carver in this episode?
Where is Paul now? Does he have custody of Adam? Would Paul want Adam? Where is Adam, and can he be saved?
Should Goren and Eames have interviewed Adam without a parent or lawyer present?
How did Goren come to know the children’s rights lawyer? Could the grandmother get custody of Adam? Should she?
Should Doreen go to prison? Is she still there? Can she be saved?
How did Doreen and Paul meet? Did he give any signs of his nature before they married?
Did these children ever get to play?
Was money really a problem for the Whitlocks?
Was it odd that Doreen’s mother kept her daughter’s room in the same state as when she left home?
Does Paul think he did anything wrong?
The terrorism angle—Did the detectives jump too quickly on this road? Do the suspects have grounds for a suit?
What is Eames’ reaction to this case?
Another story based on a true story. Is it exploitive?
Comments:
What a sad, terrible story, but extraordinarily well told and acted. Kudos to Carrie Preston, who creates a tragic human being who does a terrible thing and still gains the audience’s sympathy. Kudos also to Sam Robards who plays a horrible man without compromise and with great clarity. You may want to prepare yourself before viewing this view of the dark sides of family life. Thank goodness for the glimmer of hope for the surviving son that shines in the darkness. And note that while everyone else wrings their hands and cries how terrible things are, it’s Robert Goren who takes action to try to save a soul, save a child, and force a man to see the evil he’s done.
Lucky that the space heater was returned to and still at the store.
There’s some wonderful teamwork between Goren and Eames as well. When Bobby comments that a plant is getting too much nitrogen, Alex immediately picks up on it and asks for the soil to be tested, and in the interviews of Adam, Doreen, and Paul, they are in beautiful synchronicity. Eames also notices the milk pump.
Submitted for your consideration, comments, and catcalls.
Patcat
