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Post by romulanavatra3 on Mar 3, 2004 17:01:21 GMT -5
;)thanks trisha now you cleared that up the other thing i did not get was why did roger kill the old lady i really did not see the see point (granted he stole bonds from her and all but ,why he killed beats me).
as for eames being tollerant of lweis i thought her response was not so much deaming as meassured and careful(although i think she was porabbly a little bit unsure of what to think).
good points aobut the railling although i really have no idea how goren could have made that assumption. about people brushing ones teeth and what hand they prodemaniatly use, iam right handed but i often use both hands depending on what iam doing incluind brushing my teeth.
i can understand the llok of puzzlement on eames face when he said it(i was wodnering the same thing and i still dont think she undetood how he got to that conculsion).
reagrds rom
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Post by Metella on Mar 3, 2004 17:38:02 GMT -5
Hi Rom, I do get why Roger would have killed the old lady when he had been nothing but a passive thief up to that point ..... The whole catharsis of his putting his childhood passion away - of putting away the expectation of real love from his father - of putting away childhood itself was that Ferrari GTO. Then, there is one - almost within his reach - to give him back everything he thinks his father stole from him - it would make him emotionally whole (so he deludes himself).
Oh, I get that. But how the hell did he know of the lady in the first place and in the second that she was even robbable? Oh, could it be that his work department had access to the actual text of wills? So he was able to see a lady leaving a whopping amount to CATS and non-relatives? That is the only possiblity I can think of.
Eames? Come on Rom, I thought you thought the sun rose and set on her? Why are you selling her short as if she is a 15 year old?
She is not unsure about Lewis. Lewis is not her type, not for a boyfriend OR for a hang around friend; but she doesn't dislike him - so she is not going to chit chat to him in any way, but she is not going verbally shoot him down. " down boy" the way she said it, I would take as a gentle teasing and a way of pointing that his admiration was not accepted.
For Goren and the teeth: She was giving him a look that we all would have given him & when he explained it - gave it the "ok - that may be plausible" look. It is. TYPICALLY so others have said there is a slightly distinguishable difference from brushing. So if you would be correct 85% of the time, and you are looking at a murder with little clues ..... don't you think it is worth considering?
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Mar 3, 2004 18:16:29 GMT -5
okay mettela i was not selling eames short what i was sort of meaning was i think eames was a little unsure of the best way to react in the curimstances( you understand that she was proabbly a bit in embrassed being in a police staion and all and she probbly did not want all the excess attention that somebody like lewis could bring), i doubt that she was unsure about lewis and i agree with everything you said on this matter. oh i still defiinatiley think that sun rises and sets on eames(she is great and my views on eames will not change). the other thing is that gorens theory was plausible but what i dont understand is how he could dtermine somebodies dominat hand from the strenght with which they pressed on their gums.(it just seemed a little bit on the less than concrete side to me, in other words not nesscirly enough to dtermine if she had be pushed or had been helped to fall).
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Post by trisha on Mar 3, 2004 20:18:15 GMT -5
Rom, I also had a hard time with the gums. Wouldn't it be easier to compare the size of her hands? Your dominant hand is more noticeably bigger, imo (yes, I checked my gums, too ) I agree with Metella on Eames' comments to Lewis. She was being clear about her lack of interest and the inappropriateness of his. She was a work and they were not alone. Bobby may think it's funny, or even cute, but Eames is a no nonsense gal.
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Post by coth on Mar 3, 2004 20:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by Lilee on Mar 6, 2004 1:27:52 GMT -5
Here's what I would've looked at: Does anyone besides me have a bump on the middle finger of their right hand from writing? With a pen, I mean! Mine was HUGE and sometimes hurt from writing when I was in High School and College. Maybe that's just me.
I'm glad he didn't just look at which wrist she wore her watch. I'm a righty but also wear my watch on my right hand except when I'm writing with it or using the mouse a lot. I started that long ago cuz I travelled a lot at night and needed to turn the dome light on with my left hand, glance at my watch and turn the dome off. I could do it in a split second this way. So while the 'watch-hand' is a pretty good indication most of the time it isn't foolproof.
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Post by trisha on Mar 6, 2004 23:49:02 GMT -5
You must hold your pen WRONG, just like me. And you press to hard on the paper, just like me. It's a control thing, I guess. I have given up on writing neat, and mostly type now anyway, so the bump is going away- but my finger is still a little crooked from the years of abuse.
So, yeah, that would be any easy tell for you and me, but people whose kindergarten and first grade teachers forced them to hold a pen correctly don't have the crooked, bumpy, middle finger ;D
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Mar 19, 2004 2:15:36 GMT -5
okay i wathced the episode again this morning and isort of agree with you take on eames response to lwis mettela although i think more than anything she was tad embrassed(not unsure of anything, just a little bit embrassed). i think goren knew that and thats why he quickly distact lewis attention. i am still left wondering two things why did the father kill the first victim in the first place and how did he know who she even was. i jsut could never understand that. i also was wondering how the son get away so long whithout draw a hint to the fact that peoples money was looted, iam sure somebody would have got suspicous somewhere along the line dont you agree. i really enjoyed this epsidoe it was well written and i like the dialouge between the chracters. reagrds rom.
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Post by trisha on Mar 20, 2004 9:07:43 GMT -5
Rom, I'm guessing no one was suspicious because the people who he stole from had no one close to will their things to. If it weren't for Kate's attention to Mrs. Bachilder, no one would have known Roger stole her money, either.
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Post by Metella on Mar 20, 2004 12:21:46 GMT -5
Yeah, if all those people died very lonely - you could assume that no one knew how much they did have and also that once they died - no one was checking up on what on the surface looked like a poor old loney guy who died & the government gets to auction off some bed sets and mattresses ...... they forgot what old people used to put in the mattresses!!!
I got that the son killed the old lady because he NEEDED that cherry car NOW; he knew she had gobs of $$ because he entered her will into the "system" (whatever that means) and that his FATHER killed the younger girl because he was tring to keep the son from being caught as if the son was caught - there went his slave labor.
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Post by janetcatbird on Mar 20, 2004 15:51:39 GMT -5
But I thought there was a time issue with the alibi: didn't he have to go to a court or something so they couldn't figure out how he killed the old lady? Or did I miss a new finding?
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Post by trisha on Mar 20, 2004 17:42:16 GMT -5
There was a time issue with Roger. At first they were trying to break his alibi of being in court when Kate was pushed down the stairs. But he really was in court, and his dad is the one who pushed her down the stairs to keep from losing his slave, as Metella so aptly put it
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Post by Patcat on Mar 20, 2004 19:50:53 GMT -5
::)There's a nifty bit of casting in this episode: Dennis Christopher (the son) and Paul Dooley (the father) played son and father in the film BREAKING AWAY. Only they were a good father and son who were making an effort to understand each other.
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Mar 20, 2004 20:00:33 GMT -5
these two were only out for what they needed -
son needed to be "loved" "understood" "wanted"
father wanted to be pampered, didn't want to be bothered with details - wanted to cruise on and have a family when it was comfy for him & wanted a stable place for his old age to unfold
Nope - no coming together in this episode. I am not familiar with the other show you referenced - but our dear and talented CI writers & staff love to do things like that for us.
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Mar 24, 2004 6:51:24 GMT -5
thanks all for the the episode sure does make more sense now than it did the first time i saw it. i can now see why roger( i think that was his name). was able to get away with it for so long. tahnk you all for your help. reagrds rom.
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