Post by digresser on Nov 14, 2005 6:11:10 GMT -5
Wikipedia. It's a great, if somewhat unreliable, tool. To those of you who might be unfamiliar with the name, Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia anyone can edit. As a result, there are a lot of facts, but unfortunately fiction and opinion creep in from time to time as well.
The reason I'm posting this is because I have a problem with some of what is posted on Wikipedia in regards to Criminal Intent and I'd like to see it fixed. I'd do it myself, but I still haven't seen every episode and I know that there are people on this board who have and will be able to get all the information correct. I'm going to post the CI Wikipedia links as well paste the few problems I see with the articles (you'll have to copy and paste the links at times). I'm sure that there are fans here who might see even more problems. I accept that the Wikipedia articles will never be perfect, but I'm hoping that there are people here who can and are willing to improve on them. Thanks!
1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_%26_Order:_Criminal_Intent
I didn't notice any big mistakes here, but it sure could be fleshed out a bit more, if one so desired.
2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Law_%26_Order:_Criminal_Intent_episodes
Again, no big mistakes that I saw. There is a lot of room for individual episode links to be improved. Only four episodes have links and "Cherry Red" is mis-linked. And may I say what an unflattering picture of Goren for "One". But I digress...
3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Goren
There's a lot here I think could be improved, but these jumped out at me:
"He is an intense, intelligent man who has a college degree in psychology." I wasn't aware that psychology was Goren's college major. It would make sense, but I can only recall him mentioning that he'd taken some psych classes in college. Does anyone know for sure? It's something I easily could have missed.
"He once said that he developed this willingness to test authority stems from his days as a "lapsed altar boy."" Now that is a blatant mis-quote from "Faith". And poor grammar to boot.
"Goren also occasionally gets sidetracked or fixated on things, which provides much of the show's comic relief. (For example, in the episode "Prisoner", as Eames interviews a prison officer, Goren is seen staring at his feet and eventually starts shuffling them, as if he is bored. Eames gets annoyed and says, "Books!" and Goren proceeds to flip through books on a nearby bookshelf.)" I think that this interpretation was just one of many (see the "Prisoner" post here on the board). While interesting, it shouldn't be presented as fact.
"In the episode In the Wee Small Hours it was revealed that Goren is estranged from his brother, who has a gambling problem; and that his anger towards his father (who walked out on the family years earlier) impacts how he handles his cases on the job." I can't quite tell you why this paragraph bothers me, but it seems unfair to Goren, somehow. Any ideas?
4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Eames
I'm afraid I don't know the character of Eames well enough. There are a lot of details in this article that I'm not sure about how accurate they are. For example the "older sister" comment and her "vulnerability". Perhaps an Eames fan could proofread it?
5 & 6. Were supposed to be Deakins and Carver, but apparently they don't rate pages. Yet. Any takers? Please??? I don't know the characters well enough (what little there is to know) to write the articles, but I really feel they deserve their own.
7 & 8. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Logan ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Barak
These seem okay, but I doubt I'd know if they weren't, especially with Logan. I barely know his back-story, beyond the oft-mentioned punch. They could definitely be spruced up, though.
9. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Wallace
Dum-dah-dah-dum. The most important reason I'm posting. This whole article is just...careless. It really needs re-working. Here are some examples of its problems:
"Wallace eventually resurfaced (episode "Person of Interest"), having murdered another rich husband with a biological toxin. The psychological battle with Goren was even more intense this time, as Wallace set up a man who had abandoned his family to manipulate Goren's resentment of his father, and belittled Eames for carrying, and then giving up, her sister's baby. Goren finally apprehended her, however, by tricking her into admitting she had used the toxin on her husband." Let me just say...HUH?!?! Let's see...when did she first murder a rich husband? And when did she do it again? What about the poor ill-fated nurse? Where does this husband keep coming from?!?! It can't be Gavin. She doesn't try to kill him until "Great Barrier". Also, it's a shame to smoosh the Croydon plot into one sentence. It was evil genius at its best and it's reduced to a poorly-worded line. So sad.
" [From "Great Barrier"] Infuriated, she decided to destroy him [Goren] once and for all to prevent him from interfering with her new life with her accomplice, who was also her lover." Funny, Goren doesn't seem to be destroyed. Maybe I missed it when she destroyed him? He's a bit tired perhaps but...I know! She must have killed his barber! That would explain the hair. A cunning move, Ms. Wallace! Next, you will get all the Italian restaurants to stop serving veal. Robert Goren shall be DESTROYED!!! *ahem* Moving on...
"Wallace found herself on Goren's radar yet again when the wife of a man she was dating was murdered, along with the man's brother (This episode was entitled "Grow")" & "She left a message on Goren's answering machine cursing him for "taking away" her last chance at a real life, and disappeared." The first sentence is terribly mis-leading and the last is technically inaccurate. It's Goren's voicemail, not his answering machine. His answering machine (if he has one) would be at his home, and while it would have been interesting to find out that Nicole knows Goren's phone number, that is not what happened. "She left a message...and disappeared." Five bucks says she Apparated. I'll bet Nicole's the Dark Lord's wench. Argh, I'm confusing my fandoms again. You'd think after the Criminal Intent/CSI/Drew Carey Show dream I had I would have learned better. I kid you not. Goren met Grissom met Oswald. Well...it's nice to see I'm staying on subject at hand.
So anyway, I've ranted and raved and deprived myself of another night of sleep. Hopefully this was not all for naught. Have I moved anyone to my cause? I'd be more than happy (which is what exactly....joyful?) to help out anyone with changes. Thank you all for reading my babble. I look forward to comments and suggestions!
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The reason I'm posting this is because I have a problem with some of what is posted on Wikipedia in regards to Criminal Intent and I'd like to see it fixed. I'd do it myself, but I still haven't seen every episode and I know that there are people on this board who have and will be able to get all the information correct. I'm going to post the CI Wikipedia links as well paste the few problems I see with the articles (you'll have to copy and paste the links at times). I'm sure that there are fans here who might see even more problems. I accept that the Wikipedia articles will never be perfect, but I'm hoping that there are people here who can and are willing to improve on them. Thanks!
1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_%26_Order:_Criminal_Intent
I didn't notice any big mistakes here, but it sure could be fleshed out a bit more, if one so desired.
2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Law_%26_Order:_Criminal_Intent_episodes
Again, no big mistakes that I saw. There is a lot of room for individual episode links to be improved. Only four episodes have links and "Cherry Red" is mis-linked. And may I say what an unflattering picture of Goren for "One". But I digress...
3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Goren
There's a lot here I think could be improved, but these jumped out at me:
"He is an intense, intelligent man who has a college degree in psychology." I wasn't aware that psychology was Goren's college major. It would make sense, but I can only recall him mentioning that he'd taken some psych classes in college. Does anyone know for sure? It's something I easily could have missed.
"He once said that he developed this willingness to test authority stems from his days as a "lapsed altar boy."" Now that is a blatant mis-quote from "Faith". And poor grammar to boot.
"Goren also occasionally gets sidetracked or fixated on things, which provides much of the show's comic relief. (For example, in the episode "Prisoner", as Eames interviews a prison officer, Goren is seen staring at his feet and eventually starts shuffling them, as if he is bored. Eames gets annoyed and says, "Books!" and Goren proceeds to flip through books on a nearby bookshelf.)" I think that this interpretation was just one of many (see the "Prisoner" post here on the board). While interesting, it shouldn't be presented as fact.
"In the episode In the Wee Small Hours it was revealed that Goren is estranged from his brother, who has a gambling problem; and that his anger towards his father (who walked out on the family years earlier) impacts how he handles his cases on the job." I can't quite tell you why this paragraph bothers me, but it seems unfair to Goren, somehow. Any ideas?
4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Eames
I'm afraid I don't know the character of Eames well enough. There are a lot of details in this article that I'm not sure about how accurate they are. For example the "older sister" comment and her "vulnerability". Perhaps an Eames fan could proofread it?
5 & 6. Were supposed to be Deakins and Carver, but apparently they don't rate pages. Yet. Any takers? Please??? I don't know the characters well enough (what little there is to know) to write the articles, but I really feel they deserve their own.
7 & 8. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Logan ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Barak
These seem okay, but I doubt I'd know if they weren't, especially with Logan. I barely know his back-story, beyond the oft-mentioned punch. They could definitely be spruced up, though.
9. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Wallace
Dum-dah-dah-dum. The most important reason I'm posting. This whole article is just...careless. It really needs re-working. Here are some examples of its problems:
"Wallace eventually resurfaced (episode "Person of Interest"), having murdered another rich husband with a biological toxin. The psychological battle with Goren was even more intense this time, as Wallace set up a man who had abandoned his family to manipulate Goren's resentment of his father, and belittled Eames for carrying, and then giving up, her sister's baby. Goren finally apprehended her, however, by tricking her into admitting she had used the toxin on her husband." Let me just say...HUH?!?! Let's see...when did she first murder a rich husband? And when did she do it again? What about the poor ill-fated nurse? Where does this husband keep coming from?!?! It can't be Gavin. She doesn't try to kill him until "Great Barrier". Also, it's a shame to smoosh the Croydon plot into one sentence. It was evil genius at its best and it's reduced to a poorly-worded line. So sad.
" [From "Great Barrier"] Infuriated, she decided to destroy him [Goren] once and for all to prevent him from interfering with her new life with her accomplice, who was also her lover." Funny, Goren doesn't seem to be destroyed. Maybe I missed it when she destroyed him? He's a bit tired perhaps but...I know! She must have killed his barber! That would explain the hair. A cunning move, Ms. Wallace! Next, you will get all the Italian restaurants to stop serving veal. Robert Goren shall be DESTROYED!!! *ahem* Moving on...
"Wallace found herself on Goren's radar yet again when the wife of a man she was dating was murdered, along with the man's brother (This episode was entitled "Grow")" & "She left a message on Goren's answering machine cursing him for "taking away" her last chance at a real life, and disappeared." The first sentence is terribly mis-leading and the last is technically inaccurate. It's Goren's voicemail, not his answering machine. His answering machine (if he has one) would be at his home, and while it would have been interesting to find out that Nicole knows Goren's phone number, that is not what happened. "She left a message...and disappeared." Five bucks says she Apparated. I'll bet Nicole's the Dark Lord's wench. Argh, I'm confusing my fandoms again. You'd think after the Criminal Intent/CSI/Drew Carey Show dream I had I would have learned better. I kid you not. Goren met Grissom met Oswald. Well...it's nice to see I'm staying on subject at hand.
So anyway, I've ranted and raved and deprived myself of another night of sleep. Hopefully this was not all for naught. Have I moved anyone to my cause? I'd be more than happy (which is what exactly....joyful?) to help out anyone with changes. Thank you all for reading my babble. I look forward to comments and suggestions!
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