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Post by BegToDiffer on Mar 14, 2006 10:35:48 GMT -5
People vote for the darnest reasons. I don't think that obligation should be a reason, unless maybe you are married to the candidate. And even then, we all know that couples don't agree on everything. If I voted for a national candidate just because he was from Ohio, for me it would be the poorest reason to vote at all. I think I would be cheating myself. Many times the people I vote for don't win, but at least I feel good about my vote.
What I don't understand is that everyone I talk to claims they didn't vote for Bush. Since Ohio was a swing state, how the hell did the guy get in?
RE: Vincent for President, though I don't think he is qualified, could he be any worse than what we have?
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Post by trisha on Mar 14, 2006 11:08:15 GMT -5
I heard a lot of talk on the night of the election that several inner city voting precincts were rife with trouble in your state, BTD. I heard that the republicans had people out in force in places they knew were going to be mainly democratic, and that they harassed people, forcing them to show their voters registration cards (which you don't actually need to vote, but they made it sound like it was the law) and that some of them went so far as to use racial slurs and actually grabbed ballots from the hands of a few people before being asked to leave by the police.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a felony to grab anyone's ballot? Yet, no charges were ever filled that I heard about. There was also some talk about miscounts and missing ballots in Ohio, but nothing ever came of that either.
I 100% believe this administration capable of rigging the election, and I think they did everything they could to do so. I'm still outraged over what took place in Florida, and I don't understand how a person with even a shred of dignity could look at a popular vote so far against him and not concede, especially with all the scandal over thousands of votes that were not counted.
Bush is a liar and cheat, and look at the people he has surrounded himself with! SO MANY LIARS AND CHEATS! Has any administration ever been so full of scandal and corruption?
The old saying is as true as ever, birds of a feather flock together.
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Post by Metella on Mar 14, 2006 12:31:03 GMT -5
With as much horror as you look on the general Bush administration; I feel towards a small select few "platforms" of the democrats. I am now weary of Bush completely; but I would still hesitate to vote democrat as I see some of the vast waste collapsing our country as the welfare and waste collapsed the Roman Empire.
I'm really down about the whole thing ..... any info on McCane sp? and what he may be standing for in the upcoming big elections?
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Post by Patcat on Mar 14, 2006 13:55:16 GMT -5
I vote because people in this country have died to vote. I vote because of the civil rights workers in the South. I vote because my ancestors did not have the right to vote. I vote because I pay taxes. I vote because I have friends younger than me and I want them to have a chance at a good life. I vote because people in South Africa waited two days to vote. I vote because I want the right to complain.
Patcat
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 14, 2006 14:57:47 GMT -5
Trisha asked me today if Bush's drive to invade oil rich nations scares me [as a Canadian]. Trisha: we've already been assimilated. (Most of our music, tv shows, pop cultural interest and work opportunities are American. Ok, an exaggeration 'cuz we do have some unique identifiers...
But semi-seriously, Bush's lack of political economic basics has done wonders for my country. Our Albertan tar-sands have been going gang-busters for the past four years as have almost all the rest of our commodities. I kid you not, millionaires have been created over here where no millionaire ever was or should be.
Yesterday I watched an excerpt from a business channel over here called ROB business (quite respected. It stands for The Report on Business channel and it's like your mnbc business channel) The topic was "Bushes' impeachment" Not mind you: "Bushes Impeachment?" or "Is Bush working out?" but declarative. I was encouraged, touched even (LOL!) A lobbyist was talking about reasons why, how etc. Unfortunately other than being vociferous, he didn't really have a plan. You guys should clue him in!
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Post by trisha on Mar 14, 2006 19:50:43 GMT -5
See, that's just the thing, millions are being made on your side of the longest unprotected border. They have oil in Me-hee-co, too, though. Who knows, our dictator and his cronies may have North American blitzkrieg up their sleeves! ;D
The Bush impeachment ... God, there is only one Dem, Russ Feingold, with balls enough to stand up and demand censure, and his party is leaving him twisting in the wind. I think his constituents in Wisconsin should be proud of him. They also should have tossed Cheney out on his ass for his response to Feingold in WI this morning. It's impossible to argue facts, so Cheney just spreads insults and lies like mustard and mayo on a shit sandwich. Oh, and those ignorant f-ers at his speech just ate it right up.
Right now, Congressman John Conyers (Michigan) is working on an investigation and detailed report that will hopefully lead to impeachment proceedings, because only a long and irrefutable report full of facts and the citing of laws and legal precedent will get those impotent cowards to stand up and do what's right.
Do they think that they're playing it safe? That's what I don't get. None of their bills are passing anyway!!! NONE. The have nothing to lose by making noise except the respect, and hence votes, of their constituents.
Metella, John McCain (R-Arizona) seems like a pretty good guy to me. He's more of a true republican who wants to shrink the fed, enforce transparency and supports lobbyist reform. He's not a religious nut, and his partisanship is not strong. This makes him less of a shoe-in to come out on top in the primaries, though.
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 14, 2006 20:20:58 GMT -5
Who knows, our dictator and his cronies may have North American blitzkrieg up their sleeves! ;D Well, I think I can follow Bush's lead and duck when I see a potential gun-pointing situation (Remember his political take on the whole Vietnam thing...) but Cheney, hmm? I don't know. If I duck, he might actually shoot me!
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Post by trisha on Mar 14, 2006 20:36:06 GMT -5
Heh, heh, heh [/Jon Stewart]
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Post by NikkiGreen on Mar 14, 2006 20:48:35 GMT -5
;D Sirenna, that's twice today!
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Post by Lilee on Mar 14, 2006 21:44:35 GMT -5
But would he shoot you if you WERE a duck?? (Yep, pain meds are kicking in)
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 14, 2006 22:22:45 GMT -5
LOL! COULD he shoot me if I WERE duck?? That would probably be my best camouflage.
Nikki: try wiping the keyboard!
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Post by BegToDiffer on Mar 15, 2006 14:19:49 GMT -5
Trisha, I can’t speak for the entire state, but in Cleveland there was some confusion during the elections. The Republicans were out in full force and did seem almost intimidating at some polls in the inner city. There were not enough booths at some voting places, causing people to have to wait in long lines and plenty of complaining. I didn’t hear about ballots being grabbed out of people’s hands. Most of the booth workers watch the voter carefully and instruct them where to put their ballot the minute they walk out of the booth. I didn’t hear of anything so bad that warranted charges being filed. There were some missing ballots. Still not sure who screwed up there. One local election was just settled this week due to ballots being miscounted over and over again. They finally tossed a coin to decide the winner. We can send people to space, but just can’t get that election thing down right.
I can tell you that I believe voter fraud happens more than anyone will admit to. When someone registers to vote “in person” in Ohio, they must provide a valid drivers license, if you have no license, you must provide the last four digits of your social security number. That is it. No other proof of where you actually reside. I know of one man who doesn’t even live in this county, but has continued to vote here for the last 14 years. I have personally reported this to the election board more than once. There seems to be no follow up when fraud is reported. The guy still votes in my ward.
I agree that this administration is capable of just about anything. So much so, that it scares me. The final straw for me was the wire tapping. WTF! I think Bush is as much a threat to my freedoms as the terrorists are.
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 18, 2006 12:10:38 GMT -5
With as much horror as you look on the general Bush administration; I feel towards a small select few "platforms" of the democrats. I am now weary of Bush completely; but I would still hesitate to vote democrat as I see some of the vast waste collapsing our country as the welfare and waste collapsed the Roman Empire. I'm really down about the whole thing ..... any info on McCane sp? and what he may be standing for in the upcoming big elections? If waste is your concern what about the 9 billion that was missing in Iraq? This president is the epitome of the "Put it on the card" mentality. Republicans have sat on two of the largest recessions in my lifetime; the days of them as fiscally responsible are over. McCain once lambasted Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as nuts who should be tossed out; now he's pimping for intelligent design; and if he's not pro-choice anyway, he's not much better than they are in my book. I support Russ Feingold but if it puts Dick Cheney in power is that better or worse? Talk about a Hobson's Choice!
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Post by trisha on Mar 18, 2006 19:34:13 GMT -5
I'm unabashedly liberal, but I'm not a Dem. It just happens that I agree with Dem policies and bills much more often then I agree with Repugs. If McCain runs in 08, I might actually vote for him. Depends on who he's running with and against and what they stand for.
True, McCain is not pro-choice, but he's not a religious extremist about it, either. Besides, the Christian reich already has its majority, and that won't change for some time with such young justices. I don't see abortion or the retirement (or death) of Steven's as being a voting issue for me with McCain. I think that what we could expect from McCain as far as judicial nominee's are concerned is someone who stands for his interests, which are mainly states rights, shrinking the fed, environmental protections, and government transparency. I don't see him getting into anything at all religious.
To his "support" for intelligent design ... that is sooo questionable. All he has said is that he thinks people should have the opportunity to look at all sides of any debate, and has never said if he actually believes one way or another. He's just after the support of the Christian reich, which he was alienated from during his race with Bush for the republican ticket -- mainly by the nasty smear campaign tactics carried out by Karl Rove. Remember the polling questions asking people if they would vote for McCain if they knew he cheated on his wife and had an illegitimate child by a black mother?
What irks me about McCain is his unwavering support for the Iraq war. I wish he would just say it was a mistake, and he was mislead by the administration already! But, he won't. He's sticking this one out with the president, but certainly not for the president. He seems to feel that if more people support the war, then it will boost moral in the troops, get more people to join the armed forces, add to our military successes there, perk up the world view on the situation in Iraq, and help end it all sooner and with a positive note.
But, all I see him doing is help open the door for the invasion of Iran ...
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Post by Metella on Mar 18, 2006 20:46:31 GMT -5
Let's all just get weened from oil ..... did you know there is a tax cut for installing a renewalble energy supply for you home? Not full refund - I think up to 1K & a home solar system could be upward of 6K; but still, it is something. Wouldn't it be nice if we only needed gas for cars & then phased out into solar & wind for businesses too. We could do it NOW but the conversion costs is keeping us from going "sun" too bad; as it is costing lives and piece of mind to save a current buck & it would save more bucks in the long run.
So - I guess it is more effective to butt into local politics??? Any sucess stories out there?
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