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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 11, 2006 10:42:55 GMT -5
Christine is proof (IMO) that Goren was right when he said that 'true believers expect everyone to think like them'.
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Post by rosemary on Apr 11, 2006 12:29:49 GMT -5
Well, I guess I am no true believer then ;-) Rosemary, cradle Catholic (still unsure about the coffin).
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 11, 2006 15:12:47 GMT -5
LOL that makes 2 of us (about the coffin that is), I guess the X-files slogen of 'I want to believe' fits how I feel about mosy subjects.
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Post by maherjunkie on Apr 15, 2006 9:26:16 GMT -5
The phone call scene was very interesting. Did you notice that Alex hesitated for an unusually long time when "Erica" asked: "Do you have any children, Alex?" I don't know what was the sense of making her hesitate so long, but when I saw the scene for the first time, I was very curious. Does Alex have any children? Then, when she said "No.", after a long pause, I asked myself…Is she uncomfortable with her not having any children? After I had rewatched the scene a thought came to me that Alex maybe hesitated because she was unsure whether or not she should tell the truth. Anyway, I wondered why "Erica" found that Eames' voice reminded her of her kindergarten teacher. I've never met a kindergarten teacher who talks that butch. LOL! That's what I was thinking.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 16, 2006 7:15:46 GMT -5
On another note, could have the kids question been a kind of foreshadowing of the future when the character of Eames becomes a surrogate mother for her sister?
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Post by maherjunkie on Apr 16, 2006 9:29:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't give it that much credit.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 16, 2006 21:52:55 GMT -5
maherjunkie>> perhaps your right. I do tend to over think things LOL
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Post by Eléana on Jun 30, 2006 14:40:42 GMT -5
I thought when Goren asked the girl about menstruation that and the look on Deakins' face made it all worthwhile. You mean this look? ;D lol. I loved this episode, especially the way Goren talked to Erica and the way he interrogated the suspects and witnesses. It's really sad that the editor so faithfully believed in Erica ended up going to jail for someone that doesn't even exist. Cheers for myself: this is my 100th post. Yay
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Post by maherjunkie on Jul 1, 2006 9:24:06 GMT -5
Yeah, great pic!
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 3, 2008 11:40:28 GMT -5
I haven't seen this episode in ages, so it was interesting watching it again last night (USA repeat) after all of this time.
Part of me felt badly for Christine, who so desperately loved "Erica" as if she was her own handicapped child. Duped into such a terrible fear for her safety that she murdered a man who she believed was a terrible threat.
What struck me the most was Goren's "unrelenting pursuit" of the murderer. When he "plays" Christine at the end with that phony, heartbreaking, desperate call from Erica (really Barb the faker) I was thinking how much he's changed over the years. This Goren had no qualms ripping a perps heart out for the truth. A far different reaction from Goren than what appeared to be some guilt after arresting the mom in "Please Note." Old Bobby wouldn't have felt the need to explain his actions, or look away uncomfortably.
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Post by deathroe on Oct 3, 2008 15:23:21 GMT -5
I routinely use this episode in class because it SO clearly has a symbolic dimension. Everything is beautifully placed
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Post by dragonsback on Oct 3, 2008 23:29:17 GMT -5
Forget lame "Erica", forget implausible gullibility, forget the plot points on which this ep hangs like a door off its hinge. This episode, frame for frame, is a jam-packed Goren lexicon.
Everything you love about the guy, every instinctive nuance that VDO brings to the role, every paradoxical juxtaposition that effortlessly flips the character from sensitive-quirky Bobby one minute to ruthless-quirky Robert Goren the next - it's all right here in 43 minutes of one of the best episodes ever written (by Theresa Rebeck, btw).
Even Eames gets a droll snark in a season of mostly snappish shih-tsu follow-up lines: "We love to play with people who play with the building blocks of life'. Or maybe I should say, even otherwise totally neglected Deakins gets a great moment ( shown in pic above in this thread).
And the guest cast is just out of this world, playing the hell out of a great script.
Of all the memorable moments in all of Season 1-3.5, one of my favorite augenblicks (might even be my top favorite) is the hallway scene with the skirt-chasing prof.
As you may recall, Eames is "playing" him for information, in the guise of an adoring co-ed. Goren slips up behind the prof, and together the two detectives slowly enclose him, revealing their true intent , like the jaws of a Venus flytrap, all velvet and acid bath.
Then you see this instant of great characterisation. VDO does this little smile and nod of mock sympathy for the professor - it's a moment I can watch again and again and again, event though I have never been able to adequately describe it. It's meant only for the audience - the by-now utterly confused prof doesn't take it in. ( There is a similar moment in "Probability" when Goren does that wonderfully poisonous "Awww" to mock the French woman, but in "Faith" it is just that bit more subtle, more complex. )
And of course, while the prof is an inveterate campus wolf, he's also a kind-hearted guy, too, and Goren (as Rebeck writes it) balances the sting of that mocking nod with a genuine warm word.
Never get bored with this one. 8 out of 10 on the Replay-O-Meter
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