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Post by sobergal95 on Nov 11, 2006 19:03:56 GMT -5
I got a question: does anyone know if the writers or producers ever check in on this board? I ask because of all the season's episode discussions this one has gotten the least number of responses. As of this post, this episode has only 29 replies, "Bedfellows" has 91 and all the others have over 100 with two episodes with over 200 replies. The "Jeopardy" thread has almost as many replies as this one, lack of enthusiasm? Just not much to talk about?
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elizabethbay
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 11, 2006 21:26:24 GMT -5
does anyone know if the writers or producers ever check in on this board? They do. Or the thick-skinned ones do They appear for a few posts, then vanish. Not to be mistaken for trolls, either, although I believe I've seen two bashed on arrival. They are informed, brief, unemotional, often businesslike. Of course, hard tosay if these are always or ever the A-List people themselves; could be PAs or production crew, but I think it's pretty much accepted that the boards are watched. Not, one should think for a moment, because we are such sought-after oracles, but simply because we are a pool from which opinion can be gathered fairly effortlessly, and for free. Time was when boards such as these were viewed as just a pathetic collection of the desperate and dateless. Now, of course, the current generation has been practically born on a board. It's cultural mainstream, and an incubator for high-profile media talent. Somewhere out there, even now, a budding Roger Ebert or Janet Mazlin or even an incarnation of Pauline Kael is honing his/her wordsmithery on forums like these, and someday a few will make it to the New York Times or the Chicago Tribune or [media of your choice here]. Pays TPTB to keep an eye on things. Never know where the babies of today will crop up tomorrow as power critics. On the other side of the net, the producers and writers are younger and net-hip, too. It's only natural that they would surf around, checking out the sites that talk about them and their work. Well, SG95, you yourself said it stank ;-) So did almost everyone else, and I suppose there are only so many ways to express 'this stinks". Pretty much consensus on that verdict, with only Ross-detectives interaction and Goro character to redeem it. Jeez, Techguy even said that the guest villains were lame. Whoa! How often does that happen in a L&O episode? Just the paltry number of posts will tell the observing agents of TPTB that it was discarded as a loser.here. Perhaps everyone is conserving their energy for the Big Mama ep on Tuesday. Now, that one should make the boards positively sizzle and smoke with posts.
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Post by Techguy on Nov 11, 2006 21:53:22 GMT -5
Time was when boards such as these were viewed as just a pathetic collection of dateless wonders. That could have been me back in the day, but now of course I no longer have to concern myself with getting a date. I'm still a wonder though. this one has gotten the least number of responses...lack of enthusiasm? Just not much to talk about? it stank...Jeez, Techguy even said that the guest villains were lame. I've always believed that dramas lived or died on the strength of their villains. "Country Crossover," like "Tru Love" before it, underwhelmed me with their ho-hum villains. CC at least had Goro and Seamus Flaherty, but unfortunately not nearly enough of them.Perhaps everyone is conserving their energy for the Big Mama ep on Tuesday. Now, that one should make the boards positively sizzle and smoke with posts. I'm feeling clairvoyant so I'm going to go out on a limb and predict "The War At Home" will generate the quickest start of an episode thread and the most posts in the first hour than have accumulated in 4 days for CC. I have my rapier wit sharpened and I'm champing at the bit to post this episode's poll already! ;D
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elizabethbay
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Post by elizabethbay on Nov 12, 2006 22:22:08 GMT -5
I'm feeling clairvoyant so I'm going to go out on a limb and predict "The War At Home" will generate the quickest start of an episode thread and the most posts in the first hour than have accumulated in 4 days for CC. ;D Your crystal ball must have had lunch with my crystal ball ;D SG95 honey, let's get ready to ride the Coney Island Cyclone of threads! Er, I hope. It would be truly awful if everyone goes :meh: at the end of this one. Also hope there will revelations other than Mama Goren. No suds, but info. With the military connection, perhaps something more about Goren's Army years will be touched upon. Maybe Bobby will even break into his charming but dreadful German. Can't wait to read the poll blurbs, and see what goodies have stuck to the pointy end of your rapier wit, Techguy. The smasheroo of the desktop would have to be fodder for one category, already, yes?
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Post by mwendyr on Nov 13, 2006 13:35:04 GMT -5
Okay, I've only seen this episode once, but I'm in the camp of people that liked it. It was different though. This is going to sound strange so let me try to explain. I love the episode because it was different but I can't put my finger on what that difference was. It wasn't any one thing (maybe it was the atmosphere of the whole ep). I'm a huge Logan fan so I'm bound to like his snark, just as I like Eames snark, so he was fun to watch. I liked the fact that Wheeler didn't tell Ross it was Logan's idea to toss the case. I LOVED Goro, what a class act he was. Brilliantly acted and very believable. I laughed out loud when we saw him 'exercising' in the interview room whilst Logan, Wheeler and Ross were discussing him in the office. Loved the 'batman' comment especially. Was it me or was the guy from 'Jones' in this episode? This character made me laugh. Ha. I didn't like the singers boyfriend at all, I don't know why. I've never liked guys who treat women like goddesses so that could be it. It always seems fake and I always tend to get suspicious of a guy that does so. They're after something mostly. So I still don't know what it was that I thought was different. If any of you can help with what it might be, I'd appreciate that. I can't wait till the next episode for obvious reasons but I'm disappointed because I was hoping it'd be a crossover episode! I loved the last one and they should do another! Wendy Hugs
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Post by mwendyr on Nov 14, 2006 7:42:05 GMT -5
I haven't re-run it yet but I believe it was the general atmosphere of the whole episode. It didn't feel like LOCI, but it wasn't in a bad way. Maybe it was the music at the start. That did throw me off... I thought I was watching the wrong thing. LOL. I do remember wondering if I'd turned onto MTV by mistake. It could've been that beginning that put the whole episode into a different light. That's all I could come with. I plan to re-watch it tomorrow night. Wendy Hugs
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Post by effie on Nov 14, 2006 9:03:12 GMT -5
While I only saw this one time through, and I haven't had time to rewatch it, I've been thinking about it, and I've been dwelling on the toxic effects of living someone else's dreams...
That's essentially what little country wifey was doing. She kept saying it was her husband's dream for her. I'm sure at one point it was exciting for her and all that, but once she got to the big city and get a taste of big city reality, I'm not sure how long she kept her dream for herself...
We see it all the time with American Idol like shows. Everyone who's ever gotten a starring role in their high school musical, or done really well at karaoke thinks they can be the next big pop star. But the reality is so much different than the dream...
Just something to throw into the mix. I thought it was an interesting undercurrent, and maybe it just resonated with me personally, but there's always been a sort of CI code that if you're not true to yourself then bad things happen...
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Post by mwendyr on Nov 14, 2006 9:38:12 GMT -5
Interesting point there effie, I like to do shows and sing but I know that I'd never be cut out for fame and big celebrity stuff. True, she did seem to living her husbands dream but I wonder who started it. Was it actually hers to begin with and he just kind of flew away with it, taking it too far? I know when I've told people I'd like to be a singer, they always think that I mean someone like Mariah Carey, when I actually mean someone who performs at shows and entertain people on a small level. So, maybe that's what happened with those two. She had a small dream and he took her into the clouds, and being blinded by love she wouldn't have known where her dream ended and his began. Wendy Hugs
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Post by LOCIfan on Nov 16, 2006 1:28:19 GMT -5
With the exception of Goro, I found this episode almost unwatchable. I had no sympathy or interest in the girl singer or her boyfriend. Goro, on the other hand, was a multi-dimensional, unusual but believable character. Yet his story is nothing more than a red herring and the least interesting characters drive the story? Why?
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Post by late2theparty on Nov 16, 2006 19:13:39 GMT -5
Maybe it was the music at the start. That did throw me off... I thought I was watching the wrong thing. LOL. I do remember wondering if I'd turned onto MTV by mistake. LOL Wendy, not just this L & O. I had taped the mothership and when I went to play it and there was that loud dance music to start and I thought I had mistakenly put in a previously seen episode of LO:CI because it seems that they've done that alot this season.
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Post by mwendyr on Nov 17, 2006 10:15:07 GMT -5
LOL. I don't watch the motheship but I can see why you would think that. It did seem to go on for some time too... I don't know whether it was my confusion at what was going on added to the length of time somehow, but that video sequence dragged and it wasn't even a good song... or video. Wendy Hugs
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Post by tjara on Mar 5, 2009 4:57:58 GMT -5
Ok, ok, I know everybody is rolling their eyes at me dragging up this thread... but I just have too.
I liked this episode. Not for the crime, that wasn't too exciting, though I did like the guest starrs. I expected them to take the road with Goro (did anybody else chill at the name or was it the dub?) and the sleazy Dunne. (So great so see him back, but so sad we didn't get to see more!). I did see the motive coming from the start (or at least I thought that might be possible if they were the offenders, because as said I though the road led to Dunne, first). It was nice how Logan and Wheeler used them against each other to get the murderer. Nice also that they keep continuity, the club "Spire" (sp? ) is mentioned later that season again.
What I really enjoyed was the Logan/Wheeler/Ross dynamic. I think that played out incredibly well and I'm somewhat sad that that hasn't been used more often. I think Logan/Noth always profits from this kind of "undercurrent" (he had that with Falacci!), and it certainly gave more depth to Wheeler, and she desperately needs that depth. I thought Nicholson did very well in this episode and it's sad she doesn't get storylines like that more often. It was believeable how she was torn between partner and mentor, and she really didn't know what to do there... And I think it was nice how they filled in on some background on Ross, too. By the way he behaved I was sure he was nervous on the job, but it was good to hear it, too.
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 7, 2009 10:50:51 GMT -5
I liked this ep too. Logan's lack of PC speech is something I always find amusing. The villains were dismissable but I loved Griffin Dunne. I couldn't stand the redneck she married. Get your own f***ing coffee! I love it when Logan enlightens us: "Guys will say whatever they have to to get over. If they have a dead cat,.....they'll work it into their rap." That DA was useless, I'm glad they dumped her.
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Post by annabelleleigh on Mar 7, 2009 11:09:52 GMT -5
Giving credit....
Story by Warren Leight and Gina Gionfriddo, script by Gionfriddo.
As we know Leight is off showrunning "In Treatment" but playwright Gionfriddo remains firmly in the L&O sphere and is doing outstanding work this season on the mothership with writing partner (and former public defender) Richard Sweren.
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 8, 2009 8:16:38 GMT -5
I would also like to commend Ms. Gionfriddo for her work on LOCI. Her episodes have always been thoughtfully written with unique plotlines. Any faults in the episodes usually lie with the casting choices, as has been mentioned in this thread.
Her work this season on the mothership? Fantastic. This is my favorite season, in part to her skills and of course, the direction of its awesome show runner, Rene Balcer.
I know this it OT, but I wonder if the mothership will go the way of NBC's "Friday Night Lights" and run on Direct TV next season? That moved saved a critically acclaimed, but doomed, series. I am enjoying FNL,which is now rerunning those episodes on NBC, in a similar fashion to how LOCI "premiers" after its run on USA.
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