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Post by trisha on Feb 13, 2007 21:29:50 GMT -5
Icky stalker cam is back with a vengence, and as a bonus gross out, now we're the killer?
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Post by hannah on Feb 13, 2007 21:45:11 GMT -5
I didnt notice anything gross. Its pretty good so far.
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Post by 2011 on Feb 13, 2007 21:59:23 GMT -5
Ughhh....seriously.
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Post by hannah on Feb 13, 2007 22:03:29 GMT -5
Never mind... just saw someone got stapped... Doesn't really bug me... young and obsessed with horror movies, but I can see someone else being annoyed. Yea, so wheelers adorable in this naive sort of way. & Logan needs some anger management, but I liked it OMG! Did anyone notice Eames new hair? It looks like she got her bangs cut again! Oh my goodness, I'm not in the mood for a religious extremist, which I'm sure we'll see next episode Still happy that we'll see another new episode next week and haha new hair
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Post by outerbankschick on Feb 13, 2007 22:35:02 GMT -5
I liked this episode because I really couldn't figure out who did it until the end. Something about Detective Williams kept gnawing at me. Of course, the shot at the end. . .well, I guess he knew what he was going to do when he gave up his badge.
The scene on the fire escape was pretty tense and I thought Logan looked more than a little worried that he was going to end up shot. But geez, can everyone lay off about him shooting a cop??? Seems like they enjoy shoving the knife in him over that and it was a totally righteous shoot. I expect perps who know about it to give him a hard time, but other cops? Williams was way out of line. That shove that broke the window was a nice touch.
The only thing that annoyed me was the scene between Wheeler and Carmen. I think Wheeler should have stepped up and raised her voice, told the girl to stow it and let her know she didn't corner the market on the hard knock life.
So that's my initial impressions. Overall, I liked this one. I enjoy Logan and Wheeler. I think they work well together and she sure had his back on the fire escape.
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Post by Metella on Feb 13, 2007 22:40:31 GMT -5
Overdone theme, tired & unrealistic. At least the pace of the show moved right along & the scene I liked was of Wheeler moving in from the background to save the day with a gun pointed at the bad guy.
Right - no white boys do hip hop. Sure. Wasn't that settled YEARS ago with eminem? come on, they were killing ME with stereotypes.
For the story line - I thought the stabbing and the shooting were not necessary to see - but were in line & so they didn't bother me in this episode.
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Post by hannah on Feb 13, 2007 22:44:42 GMT -5
Yes! Wheeler was all timid because she wasn't ghetto ( ) enough! I was like come on Wheeler do something! Haha she's young and new and learning. It's fun to watch. Once again, overall I liked it.
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Post by Patcat on Feb 13, 2007 23:28:39 GMT -5
H-m-m. I liked this episode; not a great episode, but solid down the middle. I thought Wheeler's responses correct--she didn't want to completely alienate Carmen. And Logan is going to have to deal with that killing for the rest of his life. The cops who don't know all about the situation won't let him forget it.
Patcat
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Post by Techguy on Feb 13, 2007 23:41:12 GMT -5
Logan: "Fulla T lost his life over who's da man."
That's it? Yes that's it. What was the Mayor smoking that he sees the rap murder important enough to sidestep Homicide and get bumped up to Major Case Squad?
And why does the police chief have his nose out of joint? I liked the Logan-for-the defense moment when he intervenes to take some of the heat off Ross when Chief Wank goes to town on the Captain. However, I think Ross should have been a little more grateful, or at least not come down on Logan afterward.
I'm not a fan of rap or hip hop so I wasn't too emotionally invested in this episode. I was hoping for something unique and extraordinary to put a new spin on the violence in the rap world. No such luck. In place of something stellar I got what I consider a blah filler episode to take up some time and space in between the Goren/Eames sturm und drang sessions.
I also am not fond of over-use of music accompaniment in the opening teaser. But not being a fan of the rap genre, I was already rolling my eyes and turning down the volume by the time Logan and Wheeler show up.
Wheeler has been growing on me, but she is just too inconsistent in her behavior here. I like how she comes to Logan's rescue on the fire escape, promising Gordon-T that if he shoots a cop, this time there won't be a trial. In this respect she's made up for her lapse in "Maltese Cross." Later, however, she comes across as a weak ineffective wuss when she doesn't speak up for herself, and allows Carmen to spew out how her life has been so tragic. Where is Wheeler's determination and spunk?
On a side note, I've seen Julianne Nicholson and Wheeler referred to as "Howdy Doody" on other fan boards, so I'm now wondering what's behind that reference in this episode. Is "Howdy Doody" an inside joke or an acknowledgement of fan displeasure within the ranks of CI fandom?
I wouldn't have minded the mention of Logan's shooting of another cop except that it leads to the scene of Logan shoving Det. Williams through the window. Why is it necessary to resurrect Logan the hothead now? He has been showing some growth and maturity this season, so why the need to have him regress?
Overall, this episode is uneven and basically uninteresting with the exception of a couple of characters. I would have liked to know more about Gordon-T and the undercover cop Det. Williams and seen less of the politics and departmental infighting scenes. Why does CI present characters with potential but not give them enough screen time or development to get to know them better?
So Gordon-T agrees to manslaughter deals in exchange for his people not going after Carmen. Then Gordon-T gets the business end of a knife in the gut in the final scene at Rikers Island. Does Williams use his mob connections after turning in his badge to finish off Gordon-T? Or is there a bigger badder dude on the cell block to be reckoned with, which suggests things don't look too good for Carmen seeing her next birthday?
Maybe violence begets violence and it's become almost a cliche staple in the rap world. But in the end, I find it gratuitous and unnerving in "Flipped." CI could and should do a lot better with its "messages" if it has any Intent to say something important anymore.
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Post by SarahIvy on Feb 14, 2007 2:33:37 GMT -5
Chief Wank, I love it! Yeah, I love that Logan gave him sass, he was overly deserving. His behaviour was actually so ridiculous that it took me awhile to realize he even WAS supposed to be the Chief of Ds. I'd say what I said the to the husband as Chief Wank was ranting, but let's just say it's colorful and has to do with wondering what kind of bug crawled somewhere and died. I like the idea of a rapper that was calling attention to the Biggie/Tupac unsolved cases, and that witnesses being too afraid to come forward played a part. They then tied that together with the "aria" of sorts with Carmen at the end and I thought that part worked nicely. But generally speaking, I always cringe when any of the L&O's delve into the hip-hop/street/rap scene. It just never works and always seems like a weird contrived effort to be young, hip, and with-it. I really wish we had been given a more nuanced and detailed look at Williams and his motives. General observation- You know, I realize the show has a lot of the same writers as it has had in past seasons, but something is just missing for me. And I'm talking about both G/E and L/W episodes....there is just a lack of depth and layering that was present before (with a few exceptions). I feel like the show has been dumbed down somewhat, that the layers that made it so rich and rewarding have been stripped back, and it's really working my last nerve. Just to delve into the shallow end for a moment- didn't Wheeler look wicked cute at the beginning in her little newsboy cap? I loved it!
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 14, 2007 9:04:53 GMT -5
Great post, techguy!
this one wasn't great, was it?
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Post by madger on Feb 14, 2007 9:40:21 GMT -5
All I can say is that I really, really, really miss Mr. Balcer. The absence of his sophisticated touch is getting more and more noticeable.
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Post by trisha on Feb 14, 2007 10:00:28 GMT -5
I stopped watching after "I" pushed whatshisface off the roof.
No thanks, Warren.
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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 14, 2007 10:04:51 GMT -5
Techguy,
I thought that Williams himself knifed Gordon? Wasn't that he himself walking out of Riker's at the very end?
It was better than I expected. Personally, I like hip hop/rap music (I must -have 3 teenagers who listen) if it's not too racist or sexist, so that part was OK. Agree about Logan over reacting about the kill- a- fellow- cop dig, especially in the squadroom. And isn't the glass delicate. He barely pushed him.
Felt sorry for Wheeler when she was interrogating Carmen. Her ambivalence as to whether she should share her own childhood troubles was a normal reaction. Why push it? Carmen wasn't open to empathizing with a "howdy doody" cop no matter what, IMO.
Have to get to work, so I'll post more later. Just a note about the lame promo for next week's Goren & Eames episode. No mention of long lost brother or dying mother? Only a obviously miscast Tom Arnold. You would think with the spread in TV Guide this week , they would have a much better promo.
Once again, NBC drops the ball.
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Post by LOCIfan on Feb 14, 2007 10:41:31 GMT -5
Uugh! This episode seemed like it'd been in a time capsule for about a decade. Ripped from headlines from the mid-90s. Too old to be fresh, too new to be vintage and nothing about this episode's take on the material offered any new insights. There was nothing subtle or layered about any of it.
Logan was over the top with the other cop and Wheeler was practically comatose for much of the episode. The whole bit with the Chief of D's felt clunky and manufactured simply to provide a bit of squadroom soap between Logan, Ross and Chief Wank. And the end where Carmen just spilled her guts because someone vandalized Fulla's "grave" was ridiculous and entirely contrary to everything that had been said and that we'd seen of her.
Sloppy writing all around with by-the-numbers performances. This one was written by Charles Kipps, a name I've never seen before. Not a very auspicious debut. I know we're unlikely to get Balcer back, but I sure wish TPTB would ditch Leight and hire someone who won't continue to run this ship aground. Even if they don't care about the stale writing, they can't be thrilled with the ratings Leight's delivering.
Well, hopefully next week will be better. Tom Arnold as an evangelical preacher? I'm willing to suspend disbelief, but for it to pay-off, he's gotta be brilliant.
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