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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 1, 2005 12:17:03 GMT -5
Is there a place where I can read about the CI backstory?
Also, there doesn't seem to be a discussion thread about it. So I'll start a question: Does anyone think CI ever will apply the fact that Eames is a widow to the show?
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Post by Metella on Mar 1, 2005 12:21:28 GMT -5
as far as I know, the only reference we get to an offical backstory is the mention of it in the interviews shown on the S1 DVD collection. So there is some sort of backstory - how extensive, we have only speculated.
I think it is an outline on one sheet of paper; giving the skeleton that the character has to rely on to stand as a realistic character. It was created (but may have be updated) before Erbe and D'Onofrio were cast.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Mar 1, 2005 12:58:27 GMT -5
after seeing the first ep of this show i knew that no one else but Vince could've played goren, it was like the character's 'bible' was written with him in mind... weird how that worked out.
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Post by kissyfit on Mar 2, 2005 12:50:21 GMT -5
Does anyone think CI ever will apply the fact that Eames is a widow to the show? NicoleMarie... I am so gratified to see someone else ask this question! Can I ask you where you learned this fact? I got into a discussion not long ago with other fans of the show, and while we all thought of this (Eames as a cop's widow) as 'fact,' none of us could come up with the source of it... Finally one woman (hi, js!) came up with a reference to it in the 11/1/2001 edition of the Chicago Tribune. Is it also mentioned in an epi? It probably is, perhaps in season two, of which I have so few taped And as far as backstory, I realize TPTB firmly want to avoid 'soapiness.' However, I would still like another mention/allusion to Eames's loss of her husband, as well as a first name for Bobby's brother... actually I have whole *wishlist* of other details... but I am just nosy that way have a good one kissy
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Post by Techguy on Mar 2, 2005 13:05:57 GMT -5
I haven't seen every CI episode, but from reading various fansites, I don't recall any post that references Eames as a cop's widow ever mentioned in a specific CI episode. The only references to her widowhood have been to vague articles or interviews about the backstory for the Eames character, so the Chicago Tribune might be the source .
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Post by Metella on Mar 2, 2005 13:54:32 GMT -5
Erbe mentioned it herself in an interview .... the interview is showed on the Season 1 DVD collection; Erbe says something about her character & her being a widow & the dead husband having been a cop - Erbe also said something like the info would not be used in the shows, but was there for the actors to get a handle on the characters.
I am totally paraphrasing; so whoever is dedicated & with enough time could maybe provide you with exact transcripts.
So I think this theory is pretty solid; but we may never see it unless Dick W. changes his mind and writes into an episode.
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Post by kissyfit on Mar 2, 2005 14:44:50 GMT -5
Thanks, Metella and Techguy... I missed the reference in the Season One DVD... thanks for that, too, and I will review it myself... and for another confirming opinion that it was never mentioned in an episode. I agree we may never see it unless TPTB change their minds... but since we have been given lots of hints on Goren's parents' affect on his life and psyche, I would think Eames losing her huband in the line of duty and carrying on despite it would be pertinent to her character... (pardon me if I am being redundant from another thread with this notion). We get to hear lots of references to the nephew she was a surrogate mother for... so I don't see why they couldn't 'treat' us to some references to her husband... though it might be pretty far into the series for that info to surface in an epi now. I'm drawing a blank here.. have there been any epis about the death of a cop in the line of duty?? I know there was But Not Forgotten with Alicia Coppola and her dirty cop/second husband (and he wasn't killed), but was there one about a cop killed in the line of duty? hmmmm.... if not, perhaps such an epi would be a good opportunity to illuminate this detail in Eames's background... ok now I am rambling... will end here. thanks again. kissy
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Post by Techguy on Mar 2, 2005 16:00:47 GMT -5
Eames losing her huband in the line of duty and carrying on despite it would be pertinent to her character...so I don't see why they couldn't 'treat' us to some references to her husband... though it might be pretty far into the series for that info to surface in an epi now. I agree it's a bit late in the game to bring up the subject of Eames late husband. So I'm not expecting this part of the Eames backstory to come up in any CI episode, not that I want it to.There might be others that someone else could come up with, but the one that stands out for me is the Season 3 episode "Stray." This is the one where undercover cops are killed during a drugs and weapons sting operation that went wrong. At the end of the episode, we see Detectives Goren and Bishop and Capt. Deakins in their dress uniforms on their way to the funerals.
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Post by MelTex on Mar 2, 2005 16:37:11 GMT -5
Eames has alluded in a couple of episodes that she "understands what its like to loose a husband." But thats about it, and unless something drastic happens, I don't see them bringing her late husband into the mix. Ah well,...more to wonder about I guess...
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Post by kissyfit on Mar 2, 2005 22:28:30 GMT -5
Eames has alluded in a couple of episodes that she "understands what its like to loose a husband." See? I never picked up on that either... thanks... And while there was a cop killed in the beginning of Stray, and Goren seemed especially motivated to bring the pair down because they killed a cop, the meat of the episode was more about the boy's unusual methods because of his dyslexia, and how well the girl was playing him... Perhaps a missed opportunity to get another insight into Eames... although IIRC she was only onscreen briefly, doing desk work while she was pregnant. ah well... I don't need soap, but when it comes to backstory, I would like some more meat. kissy
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 3, 2005 0:02:32 GMT -5
NicoleMarie... I am so gratified to see someone else ask this question! Can I ask you where you learned this fact? I got into a discussion not long ago with other fans of the show, and while we all thought of this (Eames as a cop's widow) as 'fact,' none of us could come up with the source of it... kissy Hi! Sure ask me anything! I read on other boards about the backstory and I think I saw some mentions here. I was then reminded of the season DVD interview but was thinking there was an interview or something somewhere to get to read the "backstory". Come to find out, we can't!! I was very excited about getting to read it too. LOL!!! ***Pouts*** I have seen every episode and I don't seem to see any hints of Eames being a widow. I agree, too late in the game now, unless NUTS springs something on us again. Nicole
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Post by Techguy on Mar 3, 2005 13:32:18 GMT -5
One possible way CI can bring up the subject of Eames' late husband is a problem with her continuing to receive widow's benefits. Maybe during a current investigation a suspect mentions her husband as being a dirty cop, and an old can of worms is opened up regarding an open unsolved case. Then Goren and Eames have to work "off the clock" to try to clear her late husband's name and close the books on the unsolved case from the past.
If handled properly without the soap/melodrama elements, CI might be able to pull this off. Then we would get some information on what aspect of NYPD the husband worked, the circumstances of how he was killed in the line of duty, etc. As I said, if handled correctly, this storyline might work, perhaps in Season 5 so as to also use Logan and his partner and get their help in the "quiet investigation."
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Post by MelTex on Mar 3, 2005 14:36:44 GMT -5
Thats a cool idea Techguy! And it would give Team Logan/? and intersting crossover case, while giving us some background on Eames' late husband.
*nudge to CI writers lurkers*
Maybe they could even bring back the guy who killed her husband, make him a part of a new case that Goren and Eames are involved in. Ooo... great opportunity to Erbe to step into the light...make her want to get this guy, like Goren wants to get Nicole...
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Post by janetcatbird on Mar 3, 2005 17:13:57 GMT -5
Before I get started, my definition of melodrama is unbelievably intense and exaggerated scenarios, made worse by the soapiness of bad (usually over-)acting. Often times the actors are hamming it up in the sense of "Watch me emote! Ain't I intense?" You can have conflict and emotions without descent into "As the World Turns The Guiding Light Tells Me I Have One Life to Live Because All My Children--the Young and the Restless, the Bold and the Beautiful--Are Checking My Passions Into General Hospital." (That being said I do love the movie "Nurse Betty", highly rccomended!)
I've said before, if we can meet all Goren's friends and one of his exes I don't see what's so horrid about mentioning Eames' life outside the precinct. How about some new evidence turns up that might possibly clear the guy in prison for killing her husband? Not only would you have to solve a case to get the true cop killer, but Erbe would get some great moments for Eames to deal with realistically dramatic emotions and stressful situations. (I've also thought it would be interesting had Carver worked that case, either as second chair before a promotion or one of his major cases as a lead prosecutor. That would shed an intriguing light on their working relationship, explaining perhaps Carver's admiration and respect for a person who could keep going and stay strong through all that turmoil.) Perhaps Deakins could quietly take Goren aside to explain what happened way back when, especially if it occurred while Goren was in the Army--had Deakins been involved as well, either with Eames or her husband, that would also explain his slightly paternalistic approach. I also think MelTex was right in pointing out the possibilities of involving Logan and partner--of course Eames and Goren would be officially removed from such a personal issue, opening it up for Logan/Partner to take the lead, but we know our detectives well enough to realize they aren't exactly going to ignore the thing.
COurse this is all speculation. But it's fun, especially with the lack of new episodes! #nosmileys
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Post by kissyfit on Mar 3, 2005 17:31:57 GMT -5
Techguy and Janet... (well, everyone!) I like both these ideas, especially that this storyline to some extent would have to be handed off to Logan and his partner. It would be enough for me even if it wasn't the crux of one episode, but something mentioned from time to time... as we were sometimes updated on the trial of Nicole Wallace. Just as Bobby's personal life has been alluded to but never featured... something going on in progress behind the scenes (in addition to her nephew!) would be a welcoming insight into Eames. Perhaps it could start off as part of one epi--the guy who killed her husband is let out of jail and then suspected of another crime, and that crime is the focus of the epi... but then we continue to get glimpses into what went on... hey, after all this time, I am willing to settle!! good ideas all kissy
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