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Post by Patcat on Feb 28, 2009 16:42:02 GMT -5
That's a good point about Ms. Ryan's performance. Julie engages in some extreme behavior, and Ms. Ryan makes it believable. I've never questioned Julie's motivations in this episode, and with a lesser actress, that might have happened.
Patcat
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Post by tjara on Mar 1, 2009 8:31:24 GMT -5
Yes, I think the actress was great. I think she did a great job at playing a likeable villian, at least I keep feeling sorry for her. Of course that feeling is enhanced because Bobby feels sorry for her, so that point is important in the show, but I still think she did a great job. I also like how she can go from zero to 100% in no time. The character itself was a little "snippy", but I just like how you can just see her rage surfacing now and then. It's always there, beneath the surface, but suddenly she kinda explodes.
There's also one minor "oddity" with the plot that I notice. Julie kills her father in rage, something I think is believeable for character, it's a heat-of-moment reaction. Yet I wonder about the death of her mother, which was not in "rage". She planned that one (though she completely messed up on her alibi), which I think it somewhat strange. It doesn't ruin the story for me, I can even explain it, like it was because she was manipulated to hate & kill her mother, while the killing of her father wasn't intended...
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 1, 2009 13:38:11 GMT -5
Tjara, I don't think Julie killed her Dad in the heat of the moment. I think going into the meeting with her dad, she intended to kill him for what he had done to her. We finally see her rage, but it was bubbling underneath the entire time she was talking to him.
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 1, 2009 13:45:13 GMT -5
It was never clear to me who killed the mother because I've heard different interpretations.
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Post by tjara on Mar 1, 2009 15:34:45 GMT -5
@donnajo
You think so? Wouldn't she then bring a weapon with her? Or didn't she see the need to bring one because the knife was there? Why do it "on camera"? I mean she got a deal from the DA when she plead guilty to murdering her mother, why go ahead with that? Rage? And wouldn't rage rather imply that she suddenly "snaps"? Could it be that she didn't believe Goren and that she snapped when her father proved that the story was true? (though, then there's no premeditation...)
I'm not sure this is quite working out IN MY HEAD. LOL ;D
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 1, 2009 16:47:25 GMT -5
I think Julie's sort of in the middle here - between premeditation & spur of the moment rage. In her mothers case, perhaps her Mom upset her, so she went & got her stash of botox & came back & stuck her Mom with the hypo while she was in the tub. Mom could have taken the oral meds herself to relax. In Dad's case, he confirmed his guilt, so Julie decided he was going to pay - and picked up the convenient letter opener, and killed him.
Does that make sense? What is in between premeditated murder & a rage killing?
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Post by jeffan on Mar 1, 2009 16:56:22 GMT -5
Crime of Passion!
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Post by tjara on Mar 2, 2009 3:16:26 GMT -5
Donna, you're beginning to make sense to me I'm actually quite sure that Nan did take her sleeping pills herself, washing them down with alcohol... she wanted to rest after her botox treatment in the afternoon. Julie would know about that (the sleeping pills were prescribed!), and she would know that her mother would "pass out" from that at night. So she sneaked into the room, injected her with the botox, put her in the bathtub, turned on the water, put the wine-glass next to the tub, and left. (I'm still conflicted as to whether she stayed until her mother drowned, but she probably didn't). We know she called Ken around 10 p.m. and then met him, and Ben didn't return until 2 or 3 a.m., when he was met by the concierge who told him about the water in the suite beneath Nan's.
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Post by tjara on Mar 2, 2009 3:18:56 GMT -5
It was never clear to me who killed the mother because I've heard different interpretations. It must have been Julie. Ken & Ben both have alibis. Ken was at the fitness studio (he checked in shortly after 9:00 p.m.) and Ben went to play poker.
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