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Post by Patcat on Mar 9, 2009 11:12:38 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that Copa's is not a case of misidentification. He was away having a quickee with his girlfriend, and I believe he was too far away to identify the shooter even if his eyesight was good. He lied--out and out lied--to try to save himself.
Patcat
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Post by quietfireca on Mar 9, 2009 11:51:22 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that Copa's is not a case of misidentification. He was away having a quickee with his girlfriend, and I believe he was too far away to identify the shooter even if his eyesight was good. He lied--out and out lied--to try to save himself. Patcat But he did describe a small dark haired man, and the gang guy fit that, so maybe he did catch a glimpse. Was that made clear?? Can't recall. And Copa had the nerve to call Goren a rat, even after it was proved he made the wrong id. Poor Goren has to have *some* friends in MCS! and the NYPD....
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Post by tjara on Mar 9, 2009 13:15:56 GMT -5
I think it was never really established whether Copa just couldn't see the guy or whether he didn't see anything at all. And it's not really that important, because even if he got there in time - he couldn't see the perp clearly anyway.
I think he saw something (he knew the perp ran off "quietly"), but because he couldn't see, he just made the story up. He knew what the 86ers guy would look like since they were protecting a witness from him. As Patcat said - he was just trying to safe himself.
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 9, 2009 17:13:20 GMT -5
I've always believed that Copa described the perp the way he did because he planned to pin it on Sang all along. Sang was the leader of the 86ers and they were trying to get him on those drug charges anyway, so he figures he'll cover his hiney by fingering Sang for the murder. I mean, who's gonna question a cop, right? Copa was probably never even half the cop that Goren is and it didn't seem to me that he even thought twice about lying. Selfish, egotistical, jerk who whined about losing a job that he should have been relieved of loooong ago. Why? Because he couldn't see, for Pete's sake! Oh. . .I really detested Copa. I really, really did! What a whiney baby! Every time I see Amends or Purgatory, I want to reach through the screen and slap Copa upside his head and say "Suck it up dude and quit your freaking whining!" Grrrr! Okay, rant over.
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Post by tjara on Mar 9, 2009 17:47:52 GMT -5
What worries me really is: He was wearing a handgun, but he couldn't see... kinda dangerous...
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 9, 2009 18:55:50 GMT -5
Exactly!
And this is the guy the Chief of D's was standing up for???
Boy, after watching an ep of CSI where the comissioner and an inspector were trying to railroad Mac, and now thinking about Goren's run-ins with the NYPD brass, it sure seems like there is a disconnect in the department. Or at least, that's the way it's written.
It makes for interesting drama, but I also think that a lot of it is based in reality. A lot of politicking goes on in any workplace and in the NYPD it's got to be major.
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Post by deathroe on Mar 9, 2009 19:19:50 GMT -5
Sorry if I came across too strong that way: I just meant there was a line-up/eyewitness issue with Copa. Yes, he was more than eager to blame Sang, for reasons of his own.
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 9, 2009 20:35:10 GMT -5
I don't think you came on strong at all, D-Roe. I remember seeing Jennifer's story on A&E before. I think on American Justice. That must have been so hard to face, to be that sure you saw what you saw, and then to realize that you were wrong.
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Post by tjara on Mar 10, 2009 3:11:35 GMT -5
I didn't think you came on strong, either. I thought the link was quite interesting and I watched the segment at home...
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 10, 2009 15:15:32 GMT -5
A much as I can't stand Copa, I think he honestly convinced himself that Sang was the shooter. He saw a dark haired young man fleeing the crime scene, which means he didn't see his face. The back of Sang looks just like the back of the kid who really shot the cop. Same height & weight, same black hair (especially in the dark). Copa made a deduction, based on the neighborhood he was in and Sang's rep. He put two & two together. Trouble is, two & two doesn't always equal the truth.
That's why our Goren is such a thorough, ethical, talented Detective. He never assumes. And he is not prejudice against those already in the system. He knows there are many first time offenders out there. Why his talents aren't appreciated more, especially by the brass, is a mystery. Even after Goren solved the crime and discovered the two guilty parties, the Chief still continues to harass & mistrust him.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 11, 2009 8:53:19 GMT -5
Not to mention that a good defense lawyer (and I suspect a gang leader like Sang would have a very good lawyer on retainer) would've blown holes in Copa's testimony and caused even greater embarrassment and harm to the Department and the case. I also hate the fact Copa talks about how his kid is so important to him and then immediately goes off to be with his girlfriend. I'm not sure if he's divorced or separated or married, but it still strikes me as hypocritical.
Patcat
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Post by tjara on Mar 11, 2009 12:32:33 GMT -5
That's the real bummer, isn't it? He has a three year old son and (presumably) a wife. And he just "steps outside" while on duty and married? I get really angry at guys like him!
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 11, 2009 12:46:35 GMT -5
I believe that Copa is divorced. Something about how he had his son on the weekend. Anyway, that's how I took it.
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Post by hargiteam42 on Mar 19, 2009 13:28:14 GMT -5
Not to mention that a good defense lawyer (and I suspect a gang leader like Sang would have a very good lawyer on retainer) would've blown holes in Copa's testimony and caused even greater embarrassment and harm to the Department and the case. I also hate the fact Copa talks about how his kid is so important to him and then immediately goes off to be with his girlfriend. I'm not sure if he's divorced or separated or married, but it still strikes me as hypocritical. Patcat Well said. Personally, if I was the Chief of D's I'd rather one of the "family" point it out and get it taken care of. Can you imagine the crap they'd get if it went to trial and they found out that Copa was lying or that he had a disability? At least when Goren corrected the problem, there was less of an issue. The public would have had a field day if they knew an officer of the law had that kind of disability and was still on the force. Not to mention, Copa is a hazard to himself, his fellow officers, and potential suspects/witnesses. Look at Sang, he wasn't exactly the most innocent of people, but he got fingered for something he didn't even do. Imagine if he'd done that to someone who hadn't done anything wrong, didn't have a rap sheet or any such thing. He would destry that person's life.
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