Post by Ladyheather on Jun 23, 2008 6:16:23 GMT -5
Ok, I don't have much time today to post, so here goes.
I really liked this one. It felt like the old LOCI. The tension between all the main characters was good. Bobby trying to get into Alex's good graces, the tension was not totally repaired. I like that and hope it stays for awhile. A more humble Goren is a good thing.
I guess Ross won't be bring anymore donuts to work. Looks like that relationship is very, very cool.I liked him being the main focus instead of trying to put Bobby back together again.
I like the whole story. Ok, not perfect but a pretty good who done it. Yea, I pegged her as the killer from the start. It would not have worked if she wasn't. The story was all about Ross and his blind spot.
Ok, I'm out of here. Can't wait to read what everyone says today.
Post by diablodeblanco on Jun 23, 2008 6:34:42 GMT -5
I caught the look Rogers shot at Ross. I don't think she was happy. To me it was more pissed than anything else. I guess it was because of his focusing all his attention on the Lady in Red? And that attention having a blind spot.
As to the look that Goren is sporting these days.......I agree, bring back the suits and a more professional appearance. Is this Goren's rebellion attire? Whatever it is or reflects of his emotional mess, I hope it isn't permanent. Some seeds sprinkled throughtout of the old Goren/Eames Show. The sex tape handoff was classic. Also Eames moving in when Goren ruffled Ross' feathers about his former "friend". Not a bad episode. The nursery scene should have found a home on the cutting room floor. Eric Roberts plays a pig very well. I loved Eames' remark about the steroids. Nice way of saying "you have a little ---".
Post by Summerfield on Jun 23, 2008 8:03:26 GMT -5
With this episode, I'm hoping its the beginning of the end of all the Goren angst. It was refreshing to watch what LOCI once was.
I thought the rebuilding of G/E's partnership was played well. Step by step throughout the episode, they seemed to get their groove back.
I thought the text message scene was a little hokey. I mean one minute Mom (Mrs. Dan Croyden) is distraught, the next she's blissful and accepts that her daughter just ran off and got married? Didn't anyone try to text Avery back to say that they had reported her missing and she had some explaining to do? Oh well...
The sex tape exchange was great.
Did anyone notice how dusty Goren's shoes were, when he finds the license plate? It must have taken several hours to shoot that scene for his shoes to get that dust.
I don't care for Goren's attire. I think the open collar is an attempt to make VDO look thinner. Same for the beard. It hides his jowls. But I want him back in a suit!
I think some of what Goren has been through in the past seasons has been an attempt by the writers and Mr. D'Onofrio to let him show off some different acting chops. Yea, it's a bit self-indulgent on his part, but I also understand his need to keep things fresh and interesting. And I enjoy it (g). Perhaps the actor and the writer are now going in another direction, one where Goren will have to be more under control, and Mr. D'Onofrio consequently will need to give a more subtle interpretation. If that's the case, and we'll see more stuff like we did last night, I look forward to it.
As I watched Eric Bogosian's fine work as Captain Ross was dragged into seeing the truth--and to the man's credit, he did what was right--I wondered if this was the point where Ross comes to trust Goren and Eames. I was mentally comparing it to YESTERDAY, where Deakins allowed the detective to revisit his old case, a point that I thought was a breakthrough for everyone. I thought BETRAYED might mark the same for Ross and the detectives.
Well, I don't have all that much to add, as everyone's thoughts are so right on. But the one thing that thrilled me about this episode?
Goren IS the smartest guy in the room in this episode!!
From the beginning, he knew (before Eames, obviously way before Ross) that Kathy was suspect. And that Ross had absolutely no objectivity about the case. I sort of suspected her, since I knew that the initial title of the episode was "Cougar." That was a real tell.
*Groan* I thought we were done with gratuitous sex scenes & MTV video music in the teaser? Why return to that?
As others have said so well, a beautiful transformation of the G/E partnership as the ep progresses - from "Do you need both of us on this?" (Eames trying to avoid working with Bobby) to "You know what my partner is thinking?"(intuitively feeling Goren's tension about the bandaged hand).
When Goren & Eames were sitting (very closely) on the edge of the desk, their outfits were very complementary in both style & color. Is Bobby deliberately trying to match Eames? To not look more professional or more like a genius? Just a thought.
Shout out to the Mets by that silly lover of Roy's! I liked that. Agreed that the Bullwinkle comment needed a lead in to make it work.
As a New Yorker, I was disturbed by the reference to the "go bag in case of another attack." Even after 7 years, Manhattan-ites are still preparing for that possibility. I'm glad the writers reminded people of that.
Avery's mother - what a ditz! Your daughter is missing, you get a text, and then you just celebrate & kiss your neighbors?
At the end, when they were carting Kathy off, was anyone else reminded of "Shandeh? You know, when they arrest the mother & she's screaming to her son (the wimp) "Danny..Danny, do something!" Only thing missing was the Yiddish accent.
You know what else I really liked? The two instances where Eames showed that she could relate to Kathy. She first mentions that Kathy is over 40, lost a third husband or man in her life, wants children still, etc. Then later, she and Goren are talking to Kathy in the interview room and Kathy mentions that her husband felt intimidated by her success and Eames says, "I can relate to that." I wonder if Eames was moving up faster than Joe, her husband was?? They did say that they were going to showcase her character more. Hmmmmm.
"Wouldn't I need some terrible trauma?" - Eames
"Well you've had those, haven't you? In spades. PTSD, pent up anger. It's all there." - Gage
"Oh it's there alright. But not towards my partner." - Eames
Yea, all the talk about "eloping" bothered me too. If you're married you run off together.
This story did have one element that I always love in a LOCI episode, where the perp thinks he or she is smarter than the detectives. I always enjoy seeing the comeuppance, whether it's Goren/Eames or Logan/Partner of the moment.
I really enjoyed this episode. I know things will never get back to the way they were back in the good ol' days, but this episode was getting a little of that back. It was about the crime and something other than all of the Goren drama we have had to endure for the past two years.
I loved that it Goren let Eames lead the investigation her way and was very contrite in his actions. You could tell he was trying to make it up to her. You could tell they were working their way through it. You could see them getting back to normal but they are not there yet.
The Bullwinkle remark was useless. It didn't flow well. It really needed to be set up better for that to have worked. The sex tape scene was priceless.
It was also good to see that they were making Ross more human. He is getting to be more likeable each week. I just wish they would have spent more time with Ross and Rodgers. I would have liked to see what kind of tension this case caused them. I don't think we will be seeing any more donuts for awhile.
I only pretend not to listen to you.....Detective Alexandra Eames
I thought at the end that Goren had a similiar look. I think he was about to apologize to Ross (although Goren has nothing really to apologize for--he was just doing his job), but Ross was clearly in no state to deal with it.
True that Kathy was Goren's "intellectual equal" and able to stay one step ahead of the investigation. It brought home Goren's innate intelligence & detecting skills..aspects of the character that have been less focused upon.
Maybe "dumbed down Bobby" will be a thing of the past?
Post by ragincajun on Jun 23, 2008 13:59:08 GMT -5
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said.
I liked it, didn't love it.
Loved Goren's look, If Stabler can dress down, why not Goren. Just my opinion.
Loved the scene with Roy and Eames and how Ross/Goren were ready to run in when they thought Eames might need help.
Love the Sex tape scene.
Thought Bulwinkle comment didn't make sense.
From the beginning, Kathy felt off, when Goren asked her about GPS, she acted like she didn't know what she was talking about, a writer, excop not informed about GPS? Even Goren was looking at her funny.
Was it me or Did Goren look uncomfortable at the first mention of V Boost?