Post by janetcatbird on Apr 25, 2004 21:14:34 GMT -5
Hee hee, Rom, nicely put!
I got hooked on Law & Order by the A&E reruns about 6 years ago, so my first attachments were for the people I saw most regularly. Now that I'm older and have seen more I can give a somewhat more mature opinion than "I'm mad Jill Henessy left therefore I don't like Carey Lowell."
I'm with Rom, I've never been fond of McCoy. Way self-righteous in my mind, plus his voice in the later years aggravates me. (I'm sorry, I just get this urge to smack him on the back and yell "Hock it up!" People who don't clear their throats when they need to just irritate me, one of my many weird things.) Every now and then we get to see the nicer side of Jack--like when Carey Lowell came back for guest appearances, he was all gushy: "Jaime! HOw are you, let me see the pictures!" A couple times with Angie Harmon, but mainly in one episode, "Married With CHildren", the way he worked behind the scenes to let the grandmother see the little girl made me think "Aww, the jerk SOB does have a kinder, gentler side." However, he's been on the show so long you kind of get used to him.
You all know my feelings about Lenny. I'm still sulking.
As to the other cops--George Dzundza was OK, but not really in enough episodes for me to think that much. Paul Sorvino I enjoyed, I was more interested in Detective Ceretta than Leo DeCaprio when I had to watch the Baz Luhrman "Romeo + Juliet". Chris Noth's character was interesting, but I never formed the real attachment to him that other people did.
Benjamin Bratt was the first one I saw--I think they wanted to have a contrast to Lenny by providing a family man. I only recall one actual affair, that took place in "Aftershock", the other semi-affair was when his wife and he were temporarily separated. The lady in LA was chasing and he was trying to back out. It was a wee bit odd that EVERY woman they talked to started flirting with him, that got a bit silly. I have to chuckle with Celia Rivenbark, though, how he displayed "all the emotional range of Joe Friday". BUt he did good in the episode where Lenny's daughter got killed--"You're coming home with me, partner." Plus, y'all know I'm a sucker for cute little kids.
Jesse L. Martin I enjoy. He has a personality, he's a contrast to Lenny but they're still a very good team. (Besides, you know they've gotta have one young guy to chase down the bad guys, poor Lenny wouldn't exactly be up to it.) I wish we knew more about the character of Green. I mentioned elsewhere that everyone in the dorm knows him as Collins from "Rent", so the fact that he sings (quite well too!) just makes me happy. And in my 'umble opinion, he's not hard to look at either.
OK, the lawyers. I've already talked about Jack; Michael Moriarty was an interesting character, I kind of like what I saw, but he wasn't really on long enought o form a bond. I did like Richard Brooks (ADA Paul Robinette), although deadpan as a general rule he did have some good moments. (Plus, that deep, smooth voice.)
Claire Kincaid (Jill Henessy) was the first ADA I saw, I really liked her. Now I'm not quite as fervent about it, but I still like the character. Never was happy about the whole Jack-and-Claire conspiracy, for a while I refused to believe it. (I read in an interview that was on the TNT website that neither Henessy or Waterston wanted the affair, but the writers and producers got pretty excited aobut it. SO they just kind of rolled their eyes and went with it--apparently JIll Henessy would lean over and pinch Waterston's butt or give an unplanned shoulder squeeze just to have some fun with the idea.) Claire was young, still trying to figure out where she stood on several issues, but not in an annoying way.
Now that I'm older, I like Jaime Ross (Carey Lowell). SHe's not old by any means, but being a single mother gave her an adult's perspective, I like the contrast to the other girls. Even if she could be a bit of a know-it-all, she helped keep Jack in check. (THere was one episode where she comments "I don't know what to do" and Jack gets this huge snaggle-tooth grin. "What?" Jack says that he's enjoying the moment, fleeting though it was.)
Abbey Carmichael was way too much of a power witch. (Angie Harmon herself has said that when filming court scenes for other projects she had to stop herself from automatically going into B***h mode.) Kind of interesting how she was from Texas, not that you could really tell except for one or two comments about barbecue. (Mainly they just poked fun how in Texas "he needed killin'" is still a valid defense.) But you did get some sympathy for her when you found out how she had been a rape victim, poor woman.
Serena Southerlyn, well...eh. I like her a little better than Abbie Carmichael. A little, she's not quite so witchy. But she is a bit smug and starry eyed at the same time, the whole eager young space cadet thing where she's proud of herself but still a bit dumb and inexperienced. WHat interests me are the hints at a background in religion--not being raised in a church, but some semblance of studies. Otherwise, there is no there there.
I love Adam Schiff (Steven Hill), some wonderful lines from a wise soul. He also brought out a good side to Jack, in the fierce loyalty and paternal affection that Jack's own father never permitted. THe episode where his wife dies just about tore me up. Otherwise he's got that gruff, matter-of-fact nature and some needed bits of humor.
Nora Lewin (Dianne Wiest), the fill-in, was not a favorite. The writers just couldn't make up their minds whether they wanted a sweet grandmother or a take-no-crap attitude, and through no fault of the actress the character suffered. I wasn't terribly upset to see her go.
Arthur Branch, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I like. A bit closer to Adam, though not so grouchy, he still gets some good lines. ANd like I said, people complain about his phrases but as I've grown up hearing similar things they're not silly or stupid, they are realistic and to be expected, so quit whining. (I'm not a diehard Southern pride person, but I'm sick of all the rednecks and racists the media portrays.) FOr those of you who would like to see Fred Dalton THompson and Courtney B. Vance in something other than a L&O, watch "Hunt for Red October". THis will explain why I keep calling Carver "Jonesy".
Lord, and y'all thought I was done with dissertations. Oh well, not my fault they've changed cast members ump-tee-dump times! As someone in a TV review once commented, the ultimate Law & Order twist is a season that doesn't involve a cast change.
Oooh, GRE's,Metella? Hope they went well, let us know how they turn out!
"If it's dangerous to talk to yourself it's probably even dicier to listen." --Jim Hightower
Post by romulanavatra3 on Apr 26, 2004 5:29:15 GMT -5
why thank you meteela and janetcatbird,
wow janetcatbird thats is a very throuigh look at law and order. most which i agree with( and i certianly do agree with you comment about aruthrs phrases they are not silly or stupid and yes eve ni fthey dont make sens sometiems they are realsitic). the only thing i slightyl disagree with is take on nora lweins character( in fact i agree with what you have said about it though i think diane wiest could have add a little bit to character than she did, ieman she is a wonderful actress and in fact i think she wasted some of her talent and missed some fabolus oppitunites to shine in the role).
ilike you take on paul brooks he was good but the role was just so generic, it lacked the individuaility of other roles and the disiticnt chracteristics of other chracters.
you are centainly right about lennie not being up to chase down perps, the last time i saw he try i could have sworn JO nearly had a heart attack(he certianyl did not look to crash hot at the end out it, somehow i think it was real not part of the scirpt either beaucse the look on his face did not seem like he was acting at all).
oh and mettela thanks for posting your views on your version of eames.
Post by janetcatbird on May 10, 2004 21:11:17 GMT -5
Have not seen the promo yet--a good thing too or I might have thrown something at my roommate's TV. But I definitely will be taping that one on a DO NOT ERASE label. Not this Wednesday but next, is that right?
And yet another addition to the Law & Order cast album. For those of you who like musicals and keep up with the guest stars, add one to the list. From the season 8 episode "Ritual", that dealt with the Egyptian family debating whether or not to circumcise the daughter, remember the girl who played Allison? That actress, Emmy Rossum, is now 17 years old and cast as Christine in the movie version of "Phantom of the Opera". If you go on IMDB you can find links to press articles, but that's something I'm definitely looking forward to this December!
"If it's dangerous to talk to yourself it's probably even dicier to listen." --Jim Hightower
I'm going to miss Lennie. Thanks for posting that article, Nikki. The writer expressed the loss very well.
Thanks for the info about CSI:NY, too. I know that with Lennie leaving there is a sense that the mothership will certainly not be the same, and may not be as good, but putting a new show against it is just bold as brass. I would love it if the mothership spanks the crap out of it in the ratings, but the CSI fans are regularly watching the C.aineS.oI.mportant crapfest on Monday, so who knows
Post by NikkiGreen on May 21, 2004 13:14:02 GMT -5
I caught the farewell. I also think it was well-done. The caricature was nice.
The plot wasn't anything new! As soon as it came out that Belinda Gardner's husband was killed earlier, I knew which was the story was headed...Patricia Highsmith's first novel (and Alfred Hitchcock's movie) "Strangers on a Train".
"Let me not grope in vain in the dark but keep my mind still in the faith that the day will break and truth will appear in its simplicity." ~~~R. Tagore, Whisperings~~~
yah, I saw that movie, every once in a while I really crave an old black & white movie ....
the gift to lenny was great, exactly what a bunch of old grumpy guys who really like someone & don't know what to say would do - a humorous gift. Green acted that part well, now we get to see a new detective ... Bishop, any one?