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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 14, 2009 11:39:14 GMT -5
That's pretty much where I am with it. . .that she was more upset by the fact that people like Griscom and that other guy (whose name escapes me) would rather murder people than allow a woman the right to choose what to do with her own body.
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Post by tjara on Mar 15, 2009 15:48:15 GMT -5
Yeah I mean, isn't there some absurdity to it?
Killing to prevent killing?
I guess that's somewhat the point that this ep made, the McLeishes really represent that viewpoint, but it was there all the time. Which would also be a factor on why Dennis had to be caught alive.
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 15, 2009 19:50:23 GMT -5
That's the thing that always strikes me about abortion zealots like those portrayed here. They claim to reverence the sanctity of life - and then they take one by murdering the doctor.
HUH???
I liked the McLeishes form of protesting better. Civil disobedience and non-violent resistance.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 16, 2009 9:12:46 GMT -5
As someone who's conflicted about the abortion issue, I like the fact this episode showed that not all those opposed to abortion are fanatics like Griscom or the truck driver with the website. The MacLeishes' philosophy of reverence for all life is a much better reflection of the Catholic Church teachings. Unfortunately, many "Pro-Life" people, incluidng many Catholics, focus primarily or only on abortion as an issue. I've yet to read a report of a bishop threatening to excommunicate a politician for supporting the death penalty for example.
Patcat
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 16, 2009 10:58:17 GMT -5
And then when the child is born they don't give a damn about it. I think Bobby would accept it would be his girlfriend's situation, primarily.
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Post by tjara on Mar 16, 2009 12:01:18 GMT -5
Me too!!
But Politics and Religion are always a dangerous combination...
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Post by ragincajun on Mar 16, 2009 14:21:57 GMT -5
And then when the child is born they don't give a damn about it. I think Bobby would accept it would be his girlfriend's situation, primarily. I still wonder the look on his face when the girlfriend talked about having the abortion, he looked sad. Like he might have had sympathy for they guy who wanted a child but was denied the chance. I wonder if that same episode was shot now, with Bobby having gone through all he has gone through, how would he feel now. |
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Post by outerbankschick on Mar 16, 2009 21:51:23 GMT -5
Oh definitely, not all opposed are fanatical. I am on the opposition side of things, but not from the standpoint of legality. Making abortion illegal again wouldn't stop it, and it would endanger the health and well-being, not to mention the lives in some cases, of the women who seek out the procedure.
I am a HUGE proponent of responsible sex and birth control. I do realize that sometimes a pregnancy still happens, but studies have shown that in most cases, the goofs are human error, like forgetting a pill or medication interaction. I stress most, not all, because, as we well know, no method is really foolproof. And not agreeing with another woman's choice to have an abortion does not mean that I would presume to judge or condemn her either. I don't have to walk in her shoes, no matter what I think of what she should or shouldn't do. It's not my decision and not my call.
That's one thing I liked about this episode, that it really gave all sides of the argument in a thoughtful, intelligent way. It could have sensationalized the issue, as TV shows and movies are wont to do so much of the time, but it didn't. A nice change.
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Post by tjara on Mar 17, 2009 3:00:47 GMT -5
OBC, you nailed it. I couldn't have written it better, especially the part about responsible sex.
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 17, 2009 10:51:51 GMT -5
I know many people who are traditional pro-lifers. The problem is that being pro-life also affects your views on contraception. Any birth control that destroys a fertilized egg is prohibited. That is because the belief is that all life begins at conception. Therefore, the approved birth control methods aren't the most effective ones. That's the dilemma if someone is truly pro life.  |
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Post by Patcat on Mar 17, 2009 11:32:34 GMT -5
The Catholic Church even officially opposes all forms of birth control, including condoms. The only approved birth control is the rythm method, which led to the joke, "Why do Catholics have so many children? Because they're such offbeat people."
I'm confused and troubled about abortion, but completely opposed to the Vatican's policies regarding birth control. I trust no one here will report me to the Pope.
Patcat
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Post by ragincajun on Mar 17, 2009 12:23:50 GMT -5
The Catholic Church even officially opposes all forms of birth control, including condoms. The only approved birth control is the rythm method, which led to the joke, "Why do Catholics have so many children? Because they're such offbeat people." I'm confused and troubled about abortion, but completely opposed to the Vatican's policies regarding birth control. I trust no one here will report me to the Pope. Patcat That was one of the reasons I quit going to confession, I was on the pill, so how could I confess that I was commiting a sin in the catholic church, and I was married to a man who was divorced, when I had no plans of stopping either, but then that is another whole discussion. I still consider my self Catholic, and will wait to be judged on Judgement day. Also, what do you call users of the rythm method? Parents! |
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 17, 2009 12:40:08 GMT -5
The Catholic Church even officially opposes all forms of birth control, including condoms. The only approved birth control is the rythm method, which led to the joke, "Why do Catholics have so many children? Because they're such offbeat people." I'm confused and troubled about abortion, but completely opposed to the Vatican's policies regarding birth control. I trust no one here will report me to the Pope. Patcat That was one of the reasons I quit going to confession, I was on the pill, so how could I confess that I was commiting a sin in the catholic church, and I was married to a man who was divorced, when I had no plans of stopping either, but then that is another whole discussion. I still consider my self Catholic, and will wait to be judged on Judgement day. Also, what do you call users of the rythm method? Parents! I just think the church has it's priorities screwed up. In a different day your husband could behead you, but divorce was out of the question!If God is so benevolent what do you have to be judged for? Why are embryos so important when there are so many world ills? |
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Post by tjara on Mar 17, 2009 13:49:02 GMT -5
I think it's hard to say "The Catholic Church" - because there's so many stupid and old and unnecessary rules and beliefs, but then there's also a lof of charity work. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's one big organization and not all parts are bad.
@pc
If they report you, they'd have to report me, too!
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 17, 2009 15:07:06 GMT -5
Take it from me - the majority of Catholics believe in birth control, and its not the rhythm method. Actually, the method encouraged now by the Church is the one where you take your temperature to see if you are ovulating. Not sure how effective it is - or how many couples actually use it.
My husband & I are one of those couples that counsels engaged couples in Pre Cana. We don't deal with the birth control issue - just hand out a booklet. We talk about real issues, like money, fidelity, the importance of sex (yes) and that loving each other is a decision you make every day of your married life.
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