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Post by Patcat on Nov 4, 2005 9:47:48 GMT -5
This was on USA last night. Is it just possible this is the best LOCI episode ever?
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Nov 4, 2005 10:51:53 GMT -5
um........ YEP!
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Post by Beaglebabes on Nov 4, 2005 12:39:56 GMT -5
I loved this episode. I loved the response of Carver and Goren to the model cars and Goren's love of the cherry red.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 4, 2005 15:16:25 GMT -5
A previous post discussed the fact that Lewis seemed several years younger than Goren--perhaps they both were in the same foster family at some point? Goren's childhood might have been difficult enough to warrant his being placed in foster care.
Patcat
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Post by Techguy on Nov 5, 2005 1:42:57 GMT -5
I vote with Patcat and Metella. This episode just keeps getting better with age and repeated viewings. And the scene where Det. Goren "deflowers" the prized red hot sports car is the very best SCENE ever!
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Post by maherjunkie on Nov 5, 2005 12:16:36 GMT -5
A previous post discussed the fact that Lewis seemed several years younger than Goren--perhaps they both were in the same foster family at some point? Goren's childhood might have been difficult enough to warrant his being placed in foster care. Patcat Does Lewis make a reference to being in foster care at all?
I think the producers were just forgiving with the age difference. I loved the hug and the "I can't tell you how this feels in mixed company" quote. Anything that hints at a Goren fun side.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 5, 2005 13:24:31 GMT -5
Or could Goren just have befriended Lewis from the old neighborhood? Remember in the episode Legionwhile arresting Frankie, Goren was saying to the kid, he understood where Frankie was coming from, his dad smelled like booze and woman too. or maybe Goren and Lewis got hooked up through the Big Brother program. or maybe Lewis is Irene's younger brother ;D I liked the episode, I was asked if it was my favorite. and I had to say No, I think which ever one I am watching at the moment there is something about it, that makes them special. I espcially liked the look on Carvers face as he was checking out the models. Two boys in a toy box. they were adorable
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Nov 12, 2005 14:00:23 GMT -5
I always thought I was immune to "big engines", and the whole macho thing. When I was stationed in Germany, I met someone who had a Porsche-Audi and it was like a Corvette (my ideal at the time), and I had a chance to drive it on the Autobahn. I was allowed to drive at speeds unheard of on American highways and interstates and I got totally carried away by it. The adrenalin rush I got from this is something I could not explain to anyone who had not done it. The rather demoralizing thing that happened was that when I thought I was exceeding the speed of sound was that people were passing me, and my friend suggested that I should get in the slow lane or pull over. I only said this to say that in this episode, Goren seems to have either been through the feelings, or be able to understand them. From some of the scenes, it seems like he would not mind having the cars that Roger has, but he would never go to those lengths to acquire them. I am probably belaboring this point, but Goren seems more animated and interested in the cars, the models, etc..., in this episode than he is in other episodes. In this I think he may understand the motivation more than those that kill for money or position, but he still is more interested in justice than in anything else. I blathered on about this more than I intended to, but this episode showed me that no matter how empathetic Goren might be, with the "Oh poor me because of my rotten father", he still knows we all make our own decisions and are responsible. LOL big engines are my obsession!! I have posters of Shelby's, Lamborghini's, corvette's, KIT from Knight Rider & the delorian from back to the future. If you didn't know better, you'd think you were walking into a teenage boy's room ;D. I love Lewis' character, the way he puffed up when Alex entered the room & greeted her eagerly. Her 'down, boy' response never fails to crack me up. I liked that we got to see a little of Carver's boyish side as well. We see so much of his serious lawyer & it was a nice change to see him & Bobby looking through the model cars.
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Post by maherjunkie on Dec 18, 2005 10:49:43 GMT -5
I still don't entirely understand this one- Did Dennis Christopher buy actual cars with money from his stolen goods, and just keep them in that showroom or what? If not, what were the models for, just tokens of a crummy childhood?
I must not have turned it back in time, though I also loved the boyish scene, though I thought Eames was unnecessarily hard on Lewis.
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Post by rosemary on Dec 18, 2005 14:03:23 GMT -5
@ maherjunkie. Yes, I think so. He kept the real cars like toys. He merely would sit in them and spin the wheel. I'm not sure why he kept the models (except the crappy one of the Ferrari) but maybe he couldn't part with them, although Coffman Sr. ruined his passion for model-making. Well... Eames was a little hard on Lewis, that's true. I don't like their being all tough and hard, but maybe occasionally she is...
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Post by Patcat on Dec 18, 2005 21:04:44 GMT -5
This episode is appearing on Bravo this weekend, and it is a very well-written, produced, and acted episode. I seem to catch something different about it each time. This time around I noticed that the murdered young woman was something of a positive reflection of the city clerk. While his burden was painful and ungrateful, the young woman's mother was grateful and kind, and her daughter accepting of her responsibilities.
Patcat
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Post by rosemary on Dec 19, 2005 5:49:45 GMT -5
In my personal summary I wrote: This ep displays a dysfunctional father/son relationship as well as a good mother/daughter relationship. However the men's relationship is essential to the plot... I guess we were thinking the same thing...
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Post by spaniard on Aug 13, 2006 2:13:37 GMT -5
I just recieved the second season on DVD and I'm tremendously, outrageously, incredibly offended, it comes without any subtitles! not even for the hearing impaired. How am I going to understand Detective I-only-separate-my-teeth-when-I'm-eating-pastrami-or-I'm-very-angry-Goren? I understand about 95% so I can enjoy any episode but there are certain parts I'm simply unable to figure out.
When he talks about the homeopathic pills for the allergy to cats, he says "my girlfriend something something" and she replies " something something hairballs for her?" . It's not important for the story but drives me crazy because I can't understand it. If you could help, I would appreciate it.
About the end of it, when Goren is in the car and he says to the guy that he has no idea of how it feels, the guy says "son of a b..." and Goren repeats "you have no idea". Do you think he was still talking about the feeling of being in that car or he was replying that 'son of 'comment? I vote for the second.
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Post by spankypup on Aug 13, 2006 11:52:22 GMT -5
When he talks about the homeopathic pills for the allergy to cats, he says "my girlfriend something something" and she replies " something something hairballs for her?" . It's not important for the story but drives me crazy because I can't understand it. If you could help, I would appreciate it. Eames: Oh great, a cat person. Goren: She just became a cat person. This homeopathic remedy for cat allergies, it's microscopic cat dander you put under your tongue. I had a girlfriend Lola, she had cats. Eames: You ate fur balls for her? And thanks spaniard for giving me a reason to watch this episode again! ;D
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Post by spaniard on Aug 13, 2006 13:44:08 GMT -5
Thank you very much! it was driving me crazy. I can´t believe a spaniard didn´t understand 'Lola', shame on me!. I miss some words but I´m always still able to understand the whole sentence but this one was way impossible.
I really love this episode, it´s excellent. I love the pathetic killers that get this close to have a good thing in their lives and they blow it. Like Trudy Palmeranski in Poison, all that effort for her dream and she can only smell the success but never taste it, the same way the guy never gets inside that Ferrari.
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