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Post by Metella on Apr 18, 2004 21:24:54 GMT -5
My kind of criminals; selfcentered, selfish, greedy, beady eyed - - - normal person who gave in to the base desires and then got got.
what a lovely present to leave the elitist woman with.
and a criminal with a soft heart, showing that the bad can have some good as he sends the over worked horse to a safe spot.
This is more like it - shades of grey with a more typical major case criminal (I say MC because poverty, ignorance, mental illness etc all are a large part of petty crimes)
The planning that Paige did, a little too tricky - a little to uncertain to work for me to really buy it, but it came together nicely in the end. (pun intended)
Major editing problem in the scene where Deakins was talking to Goren & Eames re: D'Onofrio's left hand placement ..... two cuts when his hand/arm could not have moved from the two positions in that amount of time - full extened w/pencil & then folded with the other arm; and it happened twice - but oh well.
Like it.
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Post by pompusone on Apr 18, 2004 21:44:59 GMT -5
Liked it too but I think I missed something. Who was the mastermind behind the drug scheme?
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Post by darmok on Apr 18, 2004 22:03:49 GMT -5
I liked the episode. Will Goren EVER get the hang of those quick-release knots? ;D
Don't know what to make of that one comment, "You can read that from there?" I guess there's nothing wrong with his eyesight when he's being nosy.
I thought this might be another one of those dysfunctional parent episodes given the title, but I guess it refers to what Townsend will think of her baby since the likely father is just "hired help." They weren't even invited to the party.
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Post by Patcat on Apr 18, 2004 23:30:56 GMT -5
8-)I enjoyed this episode--not, perhaps in the great ranks, but certainly a good one. The humor seems to be coming back, and Goren and Eames seem to have their rthym back as well (I'm guessing their being at odds a bit after Eames' return was the result of the characters and not the actors.)
Boy, the villains were real pieces of work, except for Dale, who, I think, was sweet and stupid and probably would never have gotten involved in the drug deals if he hadn't hooked up with Paige.
And I have a confession--I realize the life of a human means more than a horse. But I've always been goofy about horses since I read BLACK BEAUTY as a kid. The abuse of these wonderful creatures always infuriates me. So I'm glad Mariah was ok.
Pat
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Post by Metella on Apr 19, 2004 6:22:10 GMT -5
I don't think Paige was supposed to know about the drugs .... that is why no one suspected she knew about the affair.
After only one watching, I am not sure, but my quick impression is that the Owner's wife was doing the drug smuggling as she flew from country to country to show her jumpers. ;D and she brought Dale along as a bit of bedroom excitment and a "stupid" lackey to deal with the horses, however they got the drugs inside the horses - I would think Dale had to have helped & he knew enough to know Mariah couldn't really take any more.
Bored socialites. Aren't they a trip.
My double take on Ill-bred; a big yes on the paternity of her current child & for the second - a comment on how people can grow up if they are given too much privledge; they may think they have breeding, but they are down in the mud in soul and spirit if they let that blink them to humanity.
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Post by trisha on Apr 19, 2004 8:24:46 GMT -5
Well, my new vcr sucks, so I have no tape and I missed about 15 minutes of this episode But here's what I got... The socialite did not know about the drug smuggling. She was too high and mighty to ever have anything to do with such things. She was upset to hear about it because she realized that she was being used, instead of the one doing the using. Then at the end she found out she wasn't just being used by him, but by his wife, as well. Nothing but a ticket for drug smuggling to one and a brood mare to the other. And it's not like she can keep her husband, or the rest of the horse community, from finding out about her Ill-Bred baby. So, who's Ill-Bred now? That title is another goodie that I could go on and on about, starting with our drug mule which, ironically, actually was a mule. Then we have our "low class" characters, which even includes the victim, plus all the Ill-bred plotting. Like, I said, I could go on and on. Darmok, you brought up my favorite part of this episode- the quick release knots. I just loved the way he tugged them at just the right moment when the plotting was coming undone. It reminded me very much of the pickle in Shandah and had me squealing with glee at the end. All in all, this was a blue ribbon episode. Bravo Mr. Sterling and Mr. Balcer! [ETA: I can spell correctly. Sometimes I just choose not to.... ]
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Post by Observer2 on Apr 19, 2004 17:27:48 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this episode. It may not be in my top ten, but that’s only because the competition is so outstanding!
Trisha, I’m so sorry your VCR didn’t work. What a bummer! Hopefully you’ll catch the part you missed on USA in a week and a half. I hope you’ve got a working VCR by then, too! I don’t know how Metella does it..
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Post by Metella on Apr 19, 2004 19:42:25 GMT -5
how I do what? how I do what?
yah, well, somehow I set my VCR to tape only the first minute of the last view interview, so I guess whatever I am doing is not exactly the standard to follow! (thanks to Dom, I have the full interview - kisses)
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Post by rune on Apr 20, 2004 9:58:22 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by how Dale got involved in the drug smuggling. I guess he was pulled in while he worked at the farm with the prisoners, but it's a little unclear as to why/how. He seemed genuinely concerned for Mariah (not concerned enough to not use her, but...) and Paige really wasn't happy about it either, since it interfered with her plan.
Did anyone catch more info about it?
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Post by trisha on Apr 20, 2004 15:42:39 GMT -5
Good question. I don't think that was ever addressed in the episode. I'm guessing Dale wouldn't have come up with on his own since he's about as bright as a 30 watt light bulb. I am also unclear on who cut the prisoner out of the deal. It seemed that he hadn't had any special privies for a while before the murder and subsequent investigation. So, when was he cut, why, and by whom?
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Post by Metella on Apr 20, 2004 18:50:50 GMT -5
Indeed AND
I just really enjoyed the look on Goren's face when the prisoner didn't cooperate & just walked away. Goren doesn't get that too often & didn't look like a happy boy. Score one for the prisoner.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Apr 20, 2004 19:03:07 GMT -5
So, when was he cut, why, and by whom? I believe it was mentioned that the horse, Mariah, had been stolen a year earlier from the farm (the one near the prison). If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say that Paige did the 'cutting'...it certainly wouldn't have been Dale since he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer! I also quite enjoyed this episode.
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Post by Observer2 on Apr 20, 2004 23:37:26 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this episode. It may not be in my top ten, but that’s only because the competition is so outstanding! Trisha, I’m so sorry your VCR didn’t work. What a bummer! Hopefully you’ll catch the part you missed on USA in a week and a half. I hope you’ve got a working VCR by then, too! I don’t know how Metella does it.... I’d be frustrated to death if I could only watch these episodes once. I’m not sure I know what you mean when you say the drug mule “actually was a mule.” Mariah wasn’t a mule. She wasn’t a thoroughbred, but her breeding wasn’t *that* bad! I do agree about those quick-release knots... Ha! That was great! Especially since they long ago established that Goren has at least some of D’Onofrio’s skill at magic. Not even horse handlers know as much about quick-release knots as magicians do. I think Goren was playing around with some magician’s trick knots with that lead rope, when they were walking around near the stables – though the heavy coiled-rope texture that gives horse handlers a good grip on the rope may have given it too much friction to work very well with the knot releases. Those smooth leather strips work so much better... you just give it a little pull like this... he just couldn’t resist.... Great fun, and beautifully used in the questioning scenes. And of course, how could I not love an episode that had Goren giving an impromptu – and delightfully irritating – lecture on micro-expressions. Naturally, he left out any distracting complications – what any given micro-expression means is dependant on baseline, context, etc. – but he gave just enough information to put pressure on the suspect and make him feel disturbingly transparent. A classic example of Goren at his obnoxious best, with Eames peering at the guy, playing the good student, just egging him on. It was great! And then Eames gets the nice intro line the next time we see that suspect, something like, ‘There go those facial muscles again!’ -- the perfect opening to a really classic scene. We get Goren and Eames vying for title of most obnoxious (I think Goren won with the run-away tire), a bit of playing off the earlier micro-expression lecture, Eames’ “yeah, right, they all say that” reaction when the guy says there was nothing in the duffle-bag, and Goren smelling the piece of plastic – not because it has a noticeable scent, not because it’s part of the plot, but just because he’s Goren, and he checks things out that way. So much good stuff packed into such a little scene. I love it. Darmok, your comment about the line, “You can read that from there?" was interesting. Can you read upside-down as easily as right-side up? For people who grow up being able to do that, it sometimes takes a while to figure out that not everyone can. For a while I thought my school counselor had deliberately let me read my test data from her file, even though she wasn’t supposed to, to help make the point that I was an “underachiever.” After all, she sat there talking to me with my file open on her desk and me sitting right across the desk from her... At some point I mentioned that to someone, and they looked at me kind of funny and said, “You could read it upside down?” I was surprised, because reading was never particularly easy for me – I have some mild dyslexic-like patterns – so I assumed that if I could read upside down, certainly everyone else could. I thought the guy had a pretty normal reaction – he thought the stuff on his desk would remain private unless someone came around to his side and read it. He was surprised that anyone would be able to read it upside down like that. On the drugs smuggling part of the plot, my read of it is that the prisoner trained Mariah and recruited Dale. When Paige seduced/recruited Dale for her own plot, Dale stole Mariah. He was using the prisoner’s plan on a larger scale to make money to start a new life with Paige. About the title, I think a lot of the meanings have been covered, but there’s another variation that adds a bit of kick to it. When horses have been put together deliberately to get them to have sex, they are said to have been bred. In other words, to put it crudely, Paige bred her husband to her employer. And from their points of view, it would have been ill-done. So in one sense, from the snobbish perspective, the child will be ill-bred – as opposed to well-bred. But in another sense, the woman herself has been ill-bred – thus lowering her truly to the level of a broodmare. I like this episode a lot, and hope I get a chance to write more about it; but this is a hectic week for me, so don’t hold your breath. I had to make a trip to Kinko’s to post this, since my computer only managed to get the first paragraph to post the other day, then couldn’t stay logged in… just a wee bit frustrating, don’t you know….
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Post by hobo_hobisho on Apr 21, 2004 18:49:50 GMT -5
And of course, how could I not love an episode that had Goren giving an impromptu – and delightfully irritating – lecture on micro-expressions. I also found that delightful. I love it when Goren does that sort of thing, by which I mean annoys the questionee with something seemingly irrelevant. Overall, I didn't really enjoy this episode. I found the motive for the crime very convoluted. It was a little hard to buy the fact that Paige went to all that trouble for money - I suppose there was the 'emotional' side of it, as well. She didn't like being seen as "less than". Still seems a little bizarre, though.
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Post by Metella on Apr 21, 2004 20:48:40 GMT -5
Hobo - Welcome.
Yeah, I was left with the same feeling about that elaborate plan of paige's. One good drug deal double cross, or some other kinda of blackmail would seem not only a more sure thing - but easier to pull off & disappear. Well, then, I guess Paige didn't really Want to disappear ..... she wanted to be in the horse shows like an uppercrust owner .... hum ......
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