Shadow
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Post by Shadow on Nov 7, 2005 7:10:17 GMT -5
Right now I am at a loss for words... Everyone has said it so well....and, I totally agree. This was the very best episode in a long long time. I definitely was NOT disappointed after all the hype. It was Goren at his best...The whole show was perfect. I can't wait to see it again.... I absolutely loved the 4 of them together and I would hope we have more like this, even if they do a couple of 2 parters. I even found Barek to be fine in this one.. You could see, that this was definitely VDO's show....with just enough of the other Logan team to make it that much better. Everyone was at their best...and Vincent really showed everyone how great he is as an actor, as did Eames. Now I can't wait to see it again, as I taped it without commercials...just like a movie would be. I am so overwhelmed with this episode...It was well worth the wait...and it sure stood up to all the hype. I have to go to work now, so I can't possibly come up with my favorite pieces of the episode now...like Eames on the stand...and Goren yelling about what they did to his mother....Just sooooo many parts that are classic..... classic Goren and classic Eames. Logan even had a couple of zingers that escape me at the moment.... I guess you can see I am really GONE on this episode...lol....Oh well, what a good show won't do for this Lady...And to Criminal Intent..... congratulations !!! Shadow
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Post by janetcatbird on Nov 7, 2005 11:14:23 GMT -5
I haven't reviewed the tape yet, but some things I remembered:
--I thought it very heavy-handed of Branch to tear up the warrant, only to sign a new one of his own. While I appreciate the importance of having the DAs signature, you think he'd find a way that wasn't so mean to do it--did you see Carver's face? (And I couldn't tell, what was that neon orange thing Carver was fiddling with in Branch's office?) I liked the interaction of lawyer and supervisor: "I can promote you right now!" "I've never seen myself as management material."
--Barek did get some hint of a personal life in that she "knows" the DJ at the Shock & Awe club. Did anybody else crack up at Logan's "Heeeey, interesting!" smirk? You just know he's gonna give her grief about it once he knows any details.
--I could have done without the mother as ultimate killer, the father/son play was just fine on its own. Besides, we've seen that twist way too many times. Still, I loved how Carver didn't even bat an eye at the implication that this major migraine of a trial might be all for nought, but told the detectives flat-out to find out what really happened. Further proof that Carver's ethics are solid, and he's not in this business for the press.
--As I don't watch CNN very often and have never seen Nancy Grace, I can't comment on "Faith Yancey". I had to ask my roommate "Is she the one with the really husky voice that you want to just force a cough lozenge down her throat?" No, my roommate explained. (Who, by the way, is amazingly tolerant of my squeals of exclamation and yelling at the TV. Pity the poor girl having to sit through such shouts as "Get her, Mama!" "Yeah Carver!" and "Oh please!".)
--Goren on the phone to Carmel Ridge was wonderful. Yes he was upset, but I certainly would be too. Loved Eames as partner, first thing she said was "Is your Mom gonna be OK?". Offered to run interference with Deakins, but Goren left frantic and she remained level-headed. Nervous and upset, but cool-minded enough to put in a call to Carver and go tearing after Goren to make sure he didn't do anything dangerous.
--As to the partnership, Goren knows that people have a hard time with him. He seems to take Eames for granted at times, as we saw with Bishop. So maybe he either didn't remember or just didn't pick up on how she may have needed some time to adjust. We don't know what he thought of her when they first came together: I was wondering if Eames' request for a transfer came because Goren started snooping into her history and matters that were none of his business. (This would have been a way to introduce Hubby: Goren pried into the matter or asked her a lot of questions that she didn't want to deal with, seems to me that would have prompted a new partner request quicker than anything.) But it speaks to their partnership now that he acknowledged his own awkwardness and appreciates how she works with him. How many people would be willing to put up with him like she does? Also, I think it interesting that the timing was "Five years ago". DOes this mean that 1st season was relatively early in their partnership? It'd be interesting to look back with this bit of knowledge.
Whew. Nicole Marie, just curious, but what made this episode "histrionic" for you? Was there anything specific that jumped out? I'm just curious cause your first post was very brief and, to me at least, vague.
--Catbird
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Post by Metella on Nov 7, 2005 11:16:01 GMT -5
A further bit on Ocean's 11 - it was about a casino - so the reference was funny in that she was implying that they we off like the big shots of old .... but just rated a 2 and not an 11.
The show did have some slow pacing moments for me; but was indeed, the best in a long long time. Logan had a normal tie on in one scene - then he went back to his plaid. I've grown fond of the bad taste he shows in ties.
The re-interviewing of the girlfriends and the boy that helped with the luggage rang so true; kids will hold on to a coverup story long after it is obvious to others that something is really wrong and they need to come clean.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 7, 2005 11:51:45 GMT -5
In general, I agree with the high praise everyone has given this episode. I have two qualms:
In spite of the extra length, the show seemed to be about too much, with the result some lines drifted off. The handling of the tabloid elements was exceptionally well done--very subtle and understated--but this story line got lost as the show evolved. And the judge's poisoning of his family might well have taken the two hours.
I also felt the twist with the mother as the murderer a bit much. The father was loathsome enough and quite capable of the crime, so from both a dramatic and realistic point having him as the killer would have worked fine for me.
But those are fairly minor points for me.
Patcat
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Post by notty on Nov 7, 2005 12:05:21 GMT -5
Good times, good times. I enjoyed the friendly rivalry between the four detectives as they raced to find the bodies. I liked the commiserating glances between Eames and Barek as Goren and Logan went on and on about the Rat Pack. I liked Barek's assessment of the FBI. I liked Logan's zeal in finding the first victim. A bit of the old Logan showed up in Deakins office when he had that shouting match with Carver, but clearly, this is a different guy. He is older and wiser. I liked Goren; the scene in which he flipped out after being notified of the'visit': powerful, powerful stuff. And instead of going completely loopy, he channeled his rage at the Judge, eliciting a key confession. It was the quintessential wonderful CI moment.
And there was Eames. Until the courtroom scene, I despaired that she'd be under-used once again...and then that whammy. Wow. Best scene in the episode. The scene between Goren and Eames shortly after: close second.
And mad props to every single guest star in this thing. Every single one of em was pitch perfect. And like it even has to be said, but Colm Meaney is the MAN!
-Lily
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Post by willow2tree on Nov 7, 2005 12:10:35 GMT -5
I thought this was the best episode by far this season, possibly in the history thus far. I'll try not to gush. (g)
The mothers of the two girls who died were excellent, just heartbreaking. I especially liked the mother of Tiana. Her anger that her daughter's disappearance had gone uninvestigated for so long; her anguish when she realized that by throwing away the clip and chain, that she might have distroyed a valuable clue; her cold disdain of the Faith Yancy court tv person; and through it all, her dignity in dealing with unimaginable pain and loss.
Wasn't Colm Meaney's character just the ultimate in narcissisitic evil? Kudos for a great guest turn. Also loved that they used the Connie character again. Maybe, now that he has mail privileges again, he'll stir up some future trouble. I'd love to see more of him and his 'disciples' in the future.
Finally, I liked the Barek charater much better in this episode. She has facial muscles that move and actual voice inflections! Who knew? Sorry, that was snarky. I think Annabella Sciorra is finally coming into the character. I look forward to more.
Did anyone catch what it was that Goren mouthed to Eames as he and Logan were leaving the squad room? I know I'm going to have to rewatch this episode several times to get everything. There was just so many goodies! Loved it.
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Post by willow2tree on Nov 7, 2005 12:17:55 GMT -5
Just as an aside, my 14-year-old son, who is also a huge CI fan, watched with me last night. During the part where it became obvious that the parents knew nothing about what their kids were up to, I looked at my son and said, "Is that how it is? Is that what I have to look forward to?" He rolled his eyes at me and then cracked up. I'm lucky in that we are very close, and (so far) he likes to stay close to home. I REALLY hope it stays that way!
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Post by Metella on Nov 7, 2005 12:52:06 GMT -5
I thought the scene toward the end; when Logan was holding the door open for the judge reflected his last offical L&O episode when he hit that guy. Anyone else get that feeling from the scene?
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Post by domerduckie on Nov 7, 2005 12:55:38 GMT -5
First post here warning.......
My cable went out during the last 15 minutes of the episode just when the judge was on the stand. Does anyone have a DVD copy that I could buy?
Please email me if you can help: domer99@gmail.com
By the way, the repeated screaming of "IAGO" by the judge at his son was REALLY annoying. Otherwise, LOVED the episode.
Thanks!
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Post by trisha on Nov 7, 2005 12:56:23 GMT -5
I must say I thought something was up when he was talking to his son and wife in the kitchen while he was undressing (which I could have done without). OMG, me too! That was way more of Colm Meaney than I ever wanted to see. And that he did it in the kitchen got it a 7 on my gross-o-meter. Now, Kevin Tighe uttering the words "oral pleasure," in D.A.W. scored a perfect 10. I had nightmares. Patcat, I didn't feel like the media angle ever went away. Nancy the Disgrace drifted in and out of the spotlight, but she was there right to the end. I wonder if the real Nancy will lash out at DW for the similarity between herself and the character. The actress who played the Disgrace is a real ringer, and the name Faith Yancy ... Wouldn't it be the ultimate irony if she decided to sue for defamation?
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Post by willow2tree on Nov 7, 2005 13:26:01 GMT -5
I seem to remember a very similar "Nancy Grace" type character on an episode of 'Boston Legal' this fall. It was the episodes with the black widow trial. Heather Locklear played the black widow on trial. Did anyone else see that? It seems to be a recurring theme lately. I have to admit a kind of sick fascination with Nancy Grace. I occasionally watch her on Court TV, even though I don't agree with her journalistic or legal ethics. I DO get a hoot out of the fact that she occasionally says something so completely outrageous, I just wish I had the courage to say myself.
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Post by popularlibrary on Nov 7, 2005 13:27:25 GMT -5
Great episode. But the Nancy Grace thing was funny and dead-on. Will she respond? Well, I expect CI will have to take second place in line, after Boston Legal, which skewered her even more viciously a couple of weeks ago. CI at least gave her shenanigans serious consideration; BL just took her to pieces for the hell of it, and left the pieces all over the floor.
Elena
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Duet
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Post by Duet on Nov 7, 2005 13:39:01 GMT -5
Quote from Metella........
"A further bit on Ocean's 11 - it was about a casino - so the reference was funny in that she was implying that they we off like the big shots of old .... but just rated a 2 and not an 11."
I thought that the #11 stood for the amount of guys in the crew........... Sorry off topic I know but I haven't yet seen this ep and from your writing I am salivating at the thought. Come on CTV bring it on and soon!
P.S. I'm one of the few people I know who actually loves spoilers and find that they enhance my viewing pleasure.......Please continue...Don't ever stop!
Duet
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Post by LOCIfan on Nov 7, 2005 13:44:35 GMT -5
--I could have done without the mother as ultimate killer, the father/son play was just fine on its own. Besides, we've seen that twist way too many times. The thing I liked about that twist was the fact that Smarmy Judge Garrett actually wasn't guilty of murder, so his self-righteous indignation, and the ferociousness with which he struck back came from (in his arrogant and nasty mind) a place of genuine innocence. So he was in the position of having to really fight dirty to clear himself of the murder charge, and had no qualms about doing it. Oh, and although the image of bare-chested Colm Meaney isn't one I'll cherish, I thought it was perfect for his character. Arrogant and deluded, thinking he's all that and a bag of chips. The kind of studly man a sixteen-year-old would throw herself at. The contrast between his actual appearance and his strut as he tossed his shirt over his bare shoulder was awesome.
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Post by Techguy on Nov 7, 2005 18:00:42 GMT -5
I can't wait for a Nancy (Dis)Grace t-shirt to show up on eBay, maybe a twofer special to go along with the Tom DeLay model. BTW, was Ms. Grace on TV at the time of the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing? I seem to recall the media getting all over the initial "suspect" and hounding him relentlessly. Only problem was, the real bomber was someone else--not that anyone backtracked or apologized or anything.
More on "Ocean's 11"--I interpreted Eames' "Ocean's 2" remark as a statement of number. As I recall, the "Ocean's 11" gang had 11 members in the original and remake. Then in the remake's sequel another member was added, hence the title "Ocean's 12." So I'm thinking Eames is saying to Barek, "there goes our mini Rat Pack of 2" referring to fellow Sinatra fans Goren and Logan.
BTW, did anyone else notice how the four detectives were shown in the opening lead intro to the episode? D'Onofrio and Erbe were pictured and listed first, followed by Noth and Sciorra, then we see Sheridan followed by Vance. Interesting lineup.
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