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Post by Sirenna on Feb 14, 2007 23:33:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm tired of every episode thread becoming a leight vs Balcer thread too. The Balcer days are over, it seems by mutual consent of Rene and GM. Oh well.
The episode wasnt' all bad but still not good not even sort of good, more like a hip rap song. Heard a lot but soon forgotten. The thorny thing is I kind of liked the writing but I didn't like the story. Does that make any sense.
The writing rang true in terms of the set, the dialogue, the issues (both the community reluctance to get involved and the police reluctance to try any other tack but a predominantly and historically white one. The writing wasn't the issue for me. I think it might have been the editing or the new slant to the show overpowering what could have been a group of interesting characters. I especially liked Williams - the good guy gone bad for a good reason.
It was a muddle as is this post.
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Post by Jefferaldo on Feb 15, 2007 2:01:45 GMT -5
11 million to 6 million. You wanna know what happened? Some people stopped watching, others started watching but mostly, House wasn't airing against CI first few weeks. I haven't seen this episode yet but with alotta people complaining it was bad, take another look at "The View From Up Here"
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Post by Jefferaldo on Feb 15, 2007 4:29:40 GMT -5
OK after watching this, I reckon this was alright but not many things were fully explained or some parts a bit confusing, eg.
-- The Grafitti - I saw that as definitely set up -- The Stabbing at the end - I thought the guards definitely helped the detective. They left G-Man right in the middle of the hallway and he was surprised they did that. It was recorded on a security camera and I'll bet there was definitely someone watching it. Also they left the buzzer gate at the end open for him to exit right after. He also nodded to the guard outside. -- Chief Wank - What was this guys purpose? To b*itch? To me, he served to plot purpose. I'm sorry I just don't believe this character because behind the scenes, I'll bet the real Chief of Ds has a big say at who gets into Major Case. -- Det. Williams quitting - I see him protecting Carmen but definitely not quitting. Episode after episode of any cop show we see cops defending their fellow officers when accused - with such loyalty, you would think that he would wait and think through the situation before leaving his brother officers -- and his life. Also, Williams' go at Logan was so unnecessary
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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 15, 2007 9:22:47 GMT -5
If you are correct Jeff, about the graffiti being a set-up, then the writing is really wacked. To desecrate the street memorial of a neighborhood hip hop legend with dozens of mourners present to get a reaction from a witness? Weren't they concerned with a riot breaking out? Carmen wasn't the only one present at the scene who loved Fullah T. If that really happened, that guy who spray painted the memorial would have been shot dead.
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Post by ragincajun on Feb 15, 2007 9:46:13 GMT -5
I don't think it was staged, that would be taking a chance with a child in a high crime area. A lot of people where against Fulla T since he wanted people to be snitches.
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Post by sarahlee on Feb 16, 2007 12:47:16 GMT -5
Why was this murder a case for Majour Case?
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 16, 2007 13:36:27 GMT -5
I think it had the potential to turn into a city-wide race riot. That and all the red-faced police chief running around yelling.
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Post by effie on Feb 16, 2007 14:30:13 GMT -5
Major Case got the case because the mayor said so, as I recall from the scene with the cranky Chief of D's.
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Post by effie on Feb 16, 2007 14:38:38 GMT -5
I keep thinking of all the barely controlled chaos hovering just below the surface of this episode and contrasting it with the calmness of say Lady Harrington's parlor in the Hamptons.
For whatever reason Goren and Eames tend to pull the perps that have money it seems...
Logan and Wheeler's perps tend to be a bit more low rent -- film students, bouncers, mob guys, record producers, ex-tv stars sleeping in their vans ...
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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 16, 2007 18:40:57 GMT -5
Yes effie. And honestly, I'm a little tired of it. Didn't Goren & Eames do a great job in Cuba Libre? How about Legion? Both episodes had them dealing quite effectively with the lower rungs of society.
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Post by Leticia on Feb 20, 2007 23:37:20 GMT -5
Well, Wheeler's inexperience showed. I don't think she's ready for Major Case. She was even more thrown than Bobby after a few hours with Nicole Wallace at a simple generic jab with no personal information! And she did not seem confident when she had that gun on G whatshisname. I forgive her though, because I still love her dynamic with Logan and she got that other guy to talk.
I was more unimpressed by Ross' interrogation. When Goren, Eames or Logan are doing an interrogation, they always maintain a certain level of... dominance, or arrogance, or superiority, or something! He was just there, looking nervous and small (which doesn't stop Eames having attitude!) and jobsworthy. I understand he has that aura the whole case because it was a big deal, with a lot riding on it and a lot going wrong, but jeez. Put on a front for the perp. I was surprised as he is always so effective when dressing down his detectives.
Overall, I was irritated. Sure, it was good in bits, but it was basically the same thing over and over again. Breaking the wall of silence. I was just frustrated. There was hardly any plot! Just tracking down witnesses! It was like the first ten minutes of the mothership stretched to an hour and therefore losing the charm of its fast cut pace. It was almost interesting when they hinted a deeper motive.... but then they lost it. And how cliched is the ambiguous undercover cop? And how come we were given this weird, unresolved ending? Where cops kill people? I'm not sure if we're meant to think it was justice, or mourn the continuing cycle of violence. I'm just glad they didn't go for Carmen getting shot at the shrine and and then a slow motion montage of accusing looks at her lightly attended funeral while Logan and Wheeler linger at a distance in the rain. I actually feared that. That is how bad I thought this was, the level I thought they could sink to.
At the end of it, the only episode I've enjoyed less was Country Crossover. They should stay away from the music scene. And the stalker cam!
It doesn't help that I kept picturing the victim slurping tea from a china cup every time someone said his name. Does T stand for something? I'm afraid my hip hop ignorance knows no bounds...
And why are Major Cases interview rooms built of sugar glass? Someone should complain to their contractor.
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Post by ragincajun on Feb 22, 2007 10:46:56 GMT -5
Loved Wheeler on the fire escape. Still haven't warmed up to Ross. The window did break kinda easy. Didn't like how Wheeler didn't hold up against Carmen when she interrogated her. But this was too soon after Country Crossover, should have been done next season maybe.
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Post by mikeyrocks on Mar 10, 2007 11:27:18 GMT -5
I don't have a anwser to your question janethyland BUT I agree with you - those opening images of Wheeler do look somehow familar?
Now on to your post - I believe that you have out done yourself - that was absolutely wonderful. You look at every aspect of the episode so deeply and then tie it all together with such an eloquent hand.
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 10, 2007 15:59:29 GMT -5
Great job, Janet. Seems as if this male posturing, machismo theme is more evident this season. Is that so our young men out there will like the show? Now I would like to see the ladies get it on with a little anger. Maybe have Wheeler lay into Logan or Eames give it to Ross? Now THAT would be a change of pace. (But ladies, leave Bobby alone. He's had enough ) Janet, did you believe that the scene at the street memorial was a set up? Planned in advance by Logan and timed precisely so that Carmen would witness the spray painting? Just wondering.
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Post by sarahlee on Mar 12, 2007 17:38:42 GMT -5
...Seems as if this male posturing, machismo theme is more evident this season. Is that so our young men out there will like the show?... Unfortunately, this theme is a reflection of what I see around me every day. But I am naive, and I still am surprised over the stupid reasons people are killed...
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