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Post by Patcat on Apr 11, 2007 22:45:34 GMT -5
I'm watching the repeat on USA. Re. Ross' comment about Peter being a decent guy: I really don't think he was lining up a potential date for Eames. I think he was just making a comment about the guy, and I'm not sure that Ross meant it as a complete compliment. That Peter might have been torn between his loyalty to the deaf community and his work as a detective.
Patcat
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Post by Summerfield on Apr 12, 2007 7:32:50 GMT -5
I was going to post a comment about "seems like a decent guy" and low and behold Patcat basically said what I was going to say! No reason to repeat...I agree.
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Post by deathroe on Apr 12, 2007 10:11:40 GMT -5
Patcat--I think that's right about Peter the decent guy. He may indeed be divided in his loyalties, even if he is not a suspect.
As far as "overreaching analysis" goes: I am not for my part saying that the symbolism around separated partners is *especially* deep either in "Silencers" or in "FPS." In the L&O format and in CI I have found such parallelism to be more often than not cosmetic: it holds the show together aesthetically rather than being a deep probing of the Goren-Eames dynamic. That said, just because it's cosmetic doesn't mean it's not there. It may not mean anything at all, yet the "FPS" reference in "Silencers" appears to be quite deliberate.
Further: even if the writers don't mean anything in particular, they are INVITING audience interpretation. A novel can be impressionistic and thematically void and still taunt the reader with the possibility of theme, order, resolution. That's why it's art and not, say, information or dogma.
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Post by Sirenna on Apr 12, 2007 11:51:51 GMT -5
Deathroe: Please don't, for one second think my throwaway comment referred to your post above. I found your thoughts cogent and insightful. I meant generally on this board and others, it sounds good on the page at first glance but doesn't always stand up to scrutiny.
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Post by Techguy on Apr 12, 2007 12:33:09 GMT -5
I caught the USA rerun too, in between the hockey playoff madness. To add to what others have already posted, I don't think Ross' comment to Eames is intended as a matchmaking ploy or in any way suggesting Peter might make a good catch for her. Ross says "He seems like a decent guy" immediately after the incident when Peter refuses to interpret what Larry and his lawyer are "saying" in the interrogation room. Ross supports Peter, saying it's not the policy of MCS detectives to violate lawyer/client privilege. I think Ross stops by the break room because he believes Eames is conflicted about what just happened, especially since her partner Goren and the ADA were insisting that Peter translate but Peter stuck to his guns. I now believe what Ross meant by his "decent guy" remark was to point out that Peter didn't compromise his integrity and didn't cave in to pressure by Goren and the ADA.
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Post by Patcat on Apr 12, 2007 12:38:39 GMT -5
I also didn't see any insistence on Goren's part about Peter translating. Once Peter explained his position and Ross gently (for Ross) supported him, Goren wasn't part of the debate. It was the idiot DA that kept pushing. Then again, I may have been distracted by my reaction to the idiot DA. Moments like that, I really miss Carver.
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Post by deathroe on Apr 12, 2007 13:21:26 GMT -5
Sirenna-- ah, but my reaction shows that I know there are holes in my theory I didn't necessarily think you were referring to my post, whereas I DO think that I overreach and am always on the lookout for it. I think in general you're quite right about overreaching: it's part of the mystique of CI to me that the audience is ENCOURAGED to interpret, encouraged to overreach ... yet they never give anything away. Frustrating! Silencer has me especially frustrated!
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Post by deathroe on Apr 12, 2007 13:27:31 GMT -5
Also I agree with you about the overall quality of Brother's Keeper by comparison. Silencer had very many untied threads--again--frustrating.
Will somebody please get me off these boards?!! I am in grading denial ...
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Post by effie on Apr 12, 2007 14:31:12 GMT -5
BTW -- I caught some of Silencer on USA last night -- wasn't gonna watch, but got sucked in -- and I noted that for the bulk of the episode Bobby was wearing the overcoat he gave to Frank.
Just thought it worth mentioning, especially in light of the emphasis on inclusion/exclusion...
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Post by diablodeblanco on Apr 12, 2007 14:46:59 GMT -5
I thought that coat looked like the one taken from the homeless corpse. I don't think I would have taken it home.....Another thought, wouldn't they (ME) want to keep the coat as possible evidence since it was worn by a now deceased person? Even if the priliminary exam said natural causes I would think that perhaps the coat would be kept for a period of time just in case.
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Post by Patcat on Apr 12, 2007 14:59:35 GMT -5
Or Bobby really liked that style of coat and simply bought a new one just like the old one?
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Post by DonnaJo on Apr 12, 2007 15:13:44 GMT -5
Or....
The wardrobe department for CI couldn't imagine that viewers would remember exactly what the coat the corpse had on in Brothers Keeper looked like weeks after the episode was aired, so they had Goren wearing it again. ;D
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Post by Sirenna on Apr 12, 2007 16:03:34 GMT -5
If he's like me, I have a drawer full of identical black socks, maybe twenty pairs. It's just easier to match them when I'm in a hurry. Perhaps he has a coat closet full of long black luxurious cachmere coats.
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Post by DonnaJo on Apr 12, 2007 16:15:01 GMT -5
LOL Sirenna! Well we know he has at least two black overcoats. And the brown monstrosity....
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Post by elizabethbay on Apr 12, 2007 17:42:58 GMT -5
Bravo, DonnaJo :-*Yes, it was no doubt a Wardrobe decision. Thanks for bringing things back to bing! reality! on this board. Ah me... There's nothing like the sound of the hiss of several deflating 'interpretive' balloons in the morning...
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