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Post by annabelleleigh on Jan 1, 2009 14:55:01 GMT -5
<Enormous smile> DiabloD. Why I love this site.
Happy new year.
AL
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Post by outerbankschick on Jan 1, 2009 15:23:14 GMT -5
I scrolled way too fast to see the aforementioned Nipple Exhibit. I think I'm glad. BTW, AL good post.
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Post by dragonsback on Jan 1, 2009 16:40:48 GMT -5
Indeed, blue-chip thinking from Annabelle. That's why she has a Peabody. But hey, AL tells the truth, but not the whole truth. She was valued by so many of us at another forum. Cascading events there are too painful to describe, but I feel moved to qualify AL's thoughts on the subject of belonging, and specifically, to her belonging. Whatever forum AL contributes to, is a fortunate place indeed.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 1, 2009 20:09:54 GMT -5
Encouragement has always been given for open and honest discussions. Most of the time, we haven’t had the need to “butt in.” Most members usually step up when they see someone being abusive towards others. Hi Jetro, Thank you so much for getting back to me, I appreciate everything you have said.....However I struggle with your above statement. I understand why Mastermind, posted the link to the blog, where the poster was planning on causing some trouble here. However, I find it offensive, that some members where allowed to go on and make jokes about the batman cave and VDO nipples. I really believe, had someone else posted those comments it would NOT be tolerated by you the management of this Forum. It's kind of like you got issues with Fozzy, I understand why Mastermind posted the blog, but I don't understand why you (management) allowed the insulting jokes towards Fozzy to be allowed. That's no way to solve a problem. My bet is Fozzy won't be back. Maybe that was the intent? You also said: (2) You proceed with a misguided notion; none of us have a "hit list" (as so eloquently mentioned in a PM to me earlier in the month), of people we "don't like". . Like I told you earlier, As God as my witness, I do not know who PM you. But it sure does make me wonder who it was, and how many other people feel that way, but are afraid to approach the management of this forum. Maybe you guys needs to rethink that a bit? I am going to take Annabelleleigh's advice, and I won't let the door hit me as Im leaving.....But, there again I wonder who really runs this Forum..... Cause had I or one of my friends said the exact same thing she just said, suggesting some "just leave" or started the frenzy of Vman nips at the expense of Fozzy. We would have been reprimanded. And that is why, I spoke up for Fozzy, cause its' not the writing, or the acting of the show, that has turned some of the fans off. It's how some of the posters on these sites, can say and do anything, while everyone must either leave, or follow their lead. I wonder what Dick Wolf and his people would think, if they knew that there are plenty of exfans, that dislike the show now, not because of the writing or acting.....but because every time, they see one of his shows....they have flashbacks (Vman nips) to the abuse that goes on on these forums..... I like my core value.... when I look in the mirror, on most days, I don't regret what I have said or done.....and If I do regret it, I try to make amends. Thank you so much for listening.
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Post by vdofan1 on Jan 2, 2009 1:02:55 GMT -5
....I wonder what Dick Wolf and his people would think, if they knew that there are plenty of exfans, that dislike the show now, not because of the writing or acting.....but because every time, they see one of his shows.... they have flashbacks to the abuse that goes on on these forums..... This part of the statement was enough to lure me out of my lurking mode. (Just a little background...) I don't post here often, even though I read at least several times a week. Most of the personal speculative nature of many posts don't really appeal to me either, so I do understand some of the other comments in the full post and in the comments of others. For me, when there's no new episodes, there's just looking for links to interviews, articles, etc. I don't understand why or how anyone would, could lose interest in a show, they are purportedly a fan of, to be turned off of the show, because of a message board. That just doesn't make any sense to me. If things ever so overwhelming that I was having 'flashbacks' to a message board post, either in tone on content - I'd disconnect my internet or at the very least, avoid the websites before writing off the show... any show. The bottom line is this is all about enhancing the experience, if a message board isn't doing that, take it out of the equation, not the show or the actor(s) that drew you to the board in the first place. ------ Life would be so much easier, if there were new episodes to dissect ... (also something I don't do much of, but something I get infinite joy out of reading.)
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Post by leanonme on Jan 2, 2009 16:10:33 GMT -5
[quote ....I wonder what Dick Wolf and his people would think, if they knew that there are plenty of exfans, that dislike the show now, not because of the writing or acting.....but because every time, they see one of his shows.... they have flashbacks to the abuse that goes on on these forums....quote]
I am willing to bet that Dick Wolf is thanking his lucky stars for forums like this. His show is still being talked about, and interest continues to be generated in the show. I am sure many fans have been gained, and kept, by these conversations- myself included.
If there are ex fans out there, the last thing the powers at be should blame is any of these forums. I have read many people who hang on in spite of disappointment in plot, show style,acting and scheduling. If anything, these forums have given CI another chance.
I agree with those who state that this forum is among the best out there, and I thank the moderators for their skillful work.
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Post by dragonsback on Jan 2, 2009 16:16:12 GMT -5
God, you're good, leanonme.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 3, 2009 7:58:42 GMT -5
Yes, leanonme, an excellent observation about how TPTB rely to some extent on the good boards to regenerate interest and to get info out there to the fans. And best of all, it's free to them. What a deal! Great to see you again, vdofan1. Glad you decided to de-lurk. And I agree that new episodes to dissect would be taking up most of the boards energy right now, not this other stuff. I hope you decide to join us more often. Your comments are always thought out, interesting & intelligent.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 3, 2009 13:26:18 GMT -5
I love this board--good heavens, I'm on it enough(g)--but I don't think we should overestimate what if any influence we have on TPTB. They have work to do and lives to live. It's great when they take the time to answer questions and such, but that's an act of grace on their parts. All they really owe us is their work. And there's what, a few hundred people on this board at most? What's that compared to millions of viewers?
Patcat
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Post by leanonme on Jan 3, 2009 15:16:10 GMT -5
I thought this was an interesting article based on the discussions we have been having of late. Edited by me, boldface mine. Nielsen launches fans forum Online social network geared to TV, film fans By MICHAEL LEARMONTH The Nielsen Co. wants to know what you think. The ratings giant has begun beta testing an online social network to give passionate TV or film fans a forum to express their views -- with the studios and networks listening in.
The service, dubbed Hey! Nielsen, will allow visitors to sound off on music and film in addition to TV. It will tabulate a popular vote of enthusiasts from which it will derive a "Hey! Nielsen Score," designed to be a measure of buzz and audience engagement. "It's an outlet for people who want to express their views on television, and want to come to Nielsen to have some influence," said Karen Watson, senior VP of communications and exec in charge of the service. "Joining the network will be a way to let the entertainment industry know what you think." Nielsen ratings are the currency on which the business of television is based -- and they determine on an almost singular basis which shows live or die. Because Nielsen families are chosen at random in an effort to craft a sample that reflects the nation's demographics, ratings are notoriously impervious to the enthusiast factor. The Internet, on the other hand, is fertile ground for enthusiast-driven campaigns to save low-rated shows from "Arrested Development" to "Jericho."Yet enthusiasts are by definition not representative of the American population, and some see the danger that a consumer service called Hey! Nielsen would disproportionately attract members of Nielsen families, and thus taint the national sample. "Are Nielsen households going to avail themselves of this website more than the general population? If so, we have a system that may undermine or create problems with the national sample," said Jack Wakshlag, chief research officer of Turner Networks. Film and TV fan sites have become part of the media's marketing plans. Bloggers are courted and even paid. And network and studio marketers do everything they can to boost buzz through Internet advertising, paid search and anonymous posts to blogs and fan sites.
As the networks work overtime to cultivate denizens of sites like Television Without Pity and MySpace, execs acknowledge it is sometimes difficult to tell the difference between genuine online buzz and buzz created by the marketing department.
Wakshlag said the connection between buzz and ratings isn't well understood, but one thing is clear. "Shows that seem to have buzz online don't end up being the shows that become hits," he said. complete article available at Variety online 74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:BHLhMO2waEMJ:www.variety.com/article/VR1117972657.html%3Fcategoryid%3D14%26cs%3D1+internet+fan+forums+and+tv+mar
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Post by outerbankschick on Jan 3, 2009 16:08:05 GMT -5
That said Patcat, and I do bow graciously to your observations, there is also the fact that in "Amends" we not only got a reference to the tie clip, but the use of Eames' first name actually coming out of Goren's mouth when speaking "to" her, instead of "about" her. So while on one hand I agree, on the other. . .well, let's just say they are at the very least paying attention to what is said on some of these boards. ETA: In light of the article Leanonme posted, maybe they pay attention a little more than we might have thought?
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Post by Patcat on Jan 3, 2009 17:24:41 GMT -5
I'd appreciate AL and other insiders' reactions to the Nielsen news. To me, this seems a case of trying to catch a train that's long left the station. That's also how I feel about a lot of the networks' efforts to use the Internet and other "new" technologies to grab audiences.
Of course, I'm a little dazed at the moment. I just saw THE CELL uncut for the first time.
Patcat
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jan 3, 2009 20:11:18 GMT -5
The cleaned up version shown on regular TV is disturbing enough but when you get to watch the entire movie......wow. It's hard to pick any one particular scene that is the most disturbing but for me it was when Carl hoisted himself up by the chains hooked to his body and "relieved" himself over the bleached body of the girl. I watched it once and never again uncut. I still tune in when it is shown on TV but the uncut version was almost painful for some reason.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jan 3, 2009 20:59:13 GMT -5
Oh yikes! I would like to see the DVD version of The Cell, but I wonder if I could handle it. Eeek! By "relief" do you mean he urinated on her or. . .uh. . .oh geez, I don't know if I can go there. How graphic is that scene? Full nudity? How much can you actually see? Maybe I'll have to scan through that one on high-speed!
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jan 4, 2009 0:08:21 GMT -5
ADULT CONTENT BELOW--
Outerbankschick----The character Carl is fully nude when he hoists himself by chains attached to rings piercing his skin on his back and legs. He is horizontal over the nude bleached body of the girl and he masturbates on her body. There is also pedophilia scene in the film. I am glad I saw the uncut version first. When they chop up a film for TV sometimes the things that get left out help the viewer understand the plot and characters better. The abuse of Carl the child was horrible and upsetting but it gave you a better handle on the why of Carl the adult and his brutality.
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