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Post by Patcat on May 24, 2010 19:31:56 GMT -5
So,I've been thinking (dangerous, I know). And the more I think, the less I'm happy with what happened to Goren and Eames. So...
What would your alternative story be for Goren and Eames?
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Post by Jefferaldo on May 24, 2010 23:59:17 GMT -5
I can't really think of one that would involve Goren Eames and Ross leaving. I think a fitting end for Goren would have been perhaps one of his old cases (from season 1 or 2, not sure of a suitable candidate) where the killer gets released and freed due to a technicality, and reoffends in a particularly heinous way. Goren knows its him/her, but in the end in the aria he can't prove it as the person has gotten used to Goren's interrogation.
Goren realises that he doesn't need the job and certainly doesn't need a new Nichole Wallace and so he turns in his shield after the interrogation.
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Post by untitled on May 25, 2010 0:27:27 GMT -5
Goren & Eames riding into the sunset like Indiana Jones in the last Crusade! - But seriously I would have to say Goren & Eames both decided to leave the Force as they realize there is life out there and go into a P.I. partnership. Once Goren & Eames, always Goren & Eames.
Points I would have touched on before the end. - Where's Donny? - Where Bobby's mysterious new family members came from. - Alex's Family - The Dog on Alex's Desk.
But I suppose all of that's where fanfiction comes in. I've got a story in the works myself.
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Post by Patcat on May 25, 2010 8:58:31 GMT -5
As a lot of you know, perhaps unfortunately, I indulge in fanfiction, so I relate to untitled's comments.
I also feel for Donny, lost out there in the limbo where unresolved plot threads linger.
What do you think Deakins is doing? Carver?
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Post by angua on May 25, 2010 11:42:59 GMT -5
I like the idea of Goren and Eames opening a PI business. But personally, I'm glad we got the hug, as well as "You're the best. You always will be." It's funny to admit, but that meant a lot to me. It could have been written with her saying something snarky, or worse, something like "It's too late." I'm kinda grateful to the writers that they ended things between them so sweetly.
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Post by Patcat on May 25, 2010 12:06:13 GMT -5
But are things ended between them?
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Post by angua on May 25, 2010 14:21:40 GMT -5
God I hope not! I like to think they still see each other regularly.
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Post by alliehalliwell on May 25, 2010 19:32:00 GMT -5
Points I would have touched on before the end. - Where's Donny? - Where Bobby's mysterious new family members came from. - Alex's Family
But I suppose all of that's where fanfiction comes in. I've got a story in the works myself. Yeah, Donny's appearance was kind of a big deal for Goren's character. In my opinion, it was essential to get at least a few words about it. Like, Goren could have easily said something like "don't worry about me...I got a post card from Donny. I think I might know where he is..." Or something. I dunno. It could have taken 30 seconds and that's all I was hoping for. Alex's family - um, hello, I think most of us would have liked to see more interaction with her and her nephew to kind of show that she does still see him a lot. It would have been nice to see her with the rest of her family more but mostly I'd like to see her with her nephew since there was that special bond between them. Bobby's mysterious new family...yeah...I would have loved an explanation about that one. The entire series was about Bobby being alone (even with Frances around), then *poof* he has family? That definitely needed an explanation. I think for me, the biggest 'should have' would be something to show us all that Goren's life was going to get better. That, without the hard/demanding life of a cop, the stress of a sick family member, and frustration of a selfish-drug addicted brother, that Goren's life would be good. That he was getting a fresh start as opposed to a having to 'start over'. Meaning, instead of being fired and forced into a situation he didn't really want, he got to choose to leave and therefore he made the right decisions in life that brought him happiness. To me, Goren is all about choices and hates being forced into a situation or told what to do. Staying true to that, the writers should have allowed him to decide to leave the force, to choose to find happiness, love, etc. It would have been more rewarding for his character and for the audience since he wouldn't just have something thrust upon him. As for Eames, I think the writers missed the boat on this one. I think, if they wanted to go for drama, they could have used her perfectly for it. Like, making something happen to her sister - get sick, hurt (even a broken leg or something), or even die and therefore Eames has to be more involved in her nephew's life. This could prompt her to leave the NYPD for fear that something could happen to her too and leave her little nephew all alone. OR they could have revealed that Eames was Catwoman. It would explain a lot...like why she was so concerned when her bird was missing in Blind Spot...it was her dinner. Seriously though, They could have added little hints and subtly mentioned things that might happen to the characters once the show was over. BUT apparently nowadays subtly is lost and tv networks think we're all stupid so I bet that's why they went for the over-the-top ending that is pretty unsatisfying.
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Post by idget on May 25, 2010 20:29:37 GMT -5
OR they could have revealed that Eames was Catwoman. It would explain a lot...like why she was so concerned when her bird was missing in Blind Spot...it was her dinner. I love that! It so explains the Batman comment!
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Post by outerbankschick on May 25, 2010 21:38:37 GMT -5
My ending for Ross would have been a big, flashy car explosion. The FBI would have painted him as a desperate cop who went against their orders and made a side deal for that security position for the money (he was getting slammed in his divorce, so this would make for something believable, writing wise!). They do this in order to save their own a**es and ensure that the weapons with the GPS gizmos get delivered. Meanwhile, Goren and Eames are not only pursuing the killer, they are trying to prove Ross was not dirty. They find the evidence they need, but the NYPD brass goes along with the FBI and allows Ross to go down as "dirty" so the Feds can have their weapons deal. Disillusioned and furious with the NYPD, Goren and Eames resign together, leaving their badges and guns on Ross's desk in a gesture of respect, loyalty, and solidarity. THAT is the ending we should have gotten! And we could still have gotten the hug. Trust me, I could find a place for that - no problem!
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Post by Patcat on May 26, 2010 10:09:32 GMT -5
Your ending is far more logical, OBC, but offers no big moments for Nichols and his new partner, which, I'm afraid, what LOYALTY was about.
I think that in a very complicated way, Goren arranged for his own departure. He wasn't going to give Chief Moran and the other idiots in the Brass the satisfaction of receiveing his resignation. His tussle with the FBI created a situation where they had to fire him. Hence, Goren's remark "It's all good." I don't think he anticipated that the Brass would place Eames in the position of firing him.
One possible ending for Goren--who goes to Minnesota to visit his family and becomes the local sheriff.
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Post by alliehalliwell on May 26, 2010 18:39:26 GMT -5
Your ending is far more logical, OBC, but offers no big moments for Nichols and his new partner, which, I'm afraid, what LOYALTY was about. One possible ending for Goren--who goes to Minnesota to visit his family and becomes the local sheriff. Patcat Yeah, that ending would make more sense. Goren a sheriff in Minnesota? I'm picturing him in Frances McDormand's get up in Fargo, accent and all.
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Post by Techguy on May 26, 2010 19:57:21 GMT -5
I try not to dwell too much in the past, the wouldas, couldas, shouldas. But leaving the Goren family issues of Donnie and the mysterious Molly unresolved is criminal. If Mama Goren and deadbeat Frank were brought out of the shadows to bring the dark cloud of melodramatic angst to a crescendo for Goren, why couldn't we get a glimpse of a positive future, at least in his personal life, for Goren by at least mentioning something about his nephew and niece/cousin?
It's almost as if the writers deliberately brought Goren to the brink of a major meltdown with some of his close family members, and then dropped the ball before the end zone was reached in his interactions with other family members. Donnie and Molly were introduced into the Goren personal storyline solely as a cross between a MacGuffin and Deus ex Machina. They roused viewers' interest in a possible light at the end of the tunnel for Goren, and then did TV's version of coitus interruptus with CI's fans. After getting us all worked up with psychological/emotional Viagra, they left us flaccid and unsatisfied. I want my money back.
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Post by outerbankschick on May 26, 2010 20:38:32 GMT -5
Ah, TG, if you were a woman I'd tell you to read my newest FF once I get it posted and you'd find yourself feeling much more satisfied. I know, I know...if you read FF you'd have to turn in your man card. I understand! But I am going to deal with Donny, and with Molly, too. And Patcat, that idea about the sheriff could work, but in my story it'd have to be in Gloucester, MA.
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Post by angua on May 26, 2010 20:45:44 GMT -5
Post a link when you're done, OBC?
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