4:07 - "Magnificat" 2004-11-07

[janetcatbird]

By Carver keeping his feelings in check, I meant professional fear that if he got carried away it might become a loophole/technicality for defense lawyers. How many times has McCoy gotten in trouble for overzealousness bordering on persecution? Seems to me Carver was making VERY sure that his personal feelings wouldn't jeapordize the case.

He does like Goren, he didn't turn antagonistic. I think he recognized that Goren needed to let some steam out during the father's interrogation (maybe a vicarious release for Carver as well?) and so he let him. You're right about earlier in the episode, thanks. His frustration was not only a lawyer facing a difficult scenario to hold in court, but also a human, possibly Dad angle "Oh GOd, please don't let it be true." Courtney B. Vance is such a great actor, hopefully this trend of subtle revealings will continue.

Deakins' petering out: He had a very solid presence, and then it felt to me like he disappeared after the raid on the Egyptian. If I'm wrong and he did appear again tell me, but it wasn't so that I'd remember. BUt it was good to see him as a cop who is trying his hardest to prevent anymore people from being hurt. We haven't seen this since "Monster", when he told the detectives to "bury" the rapist. Even my casual-viewing parents in that previous episode went "Whoa, for HIM to say that..." I don't think they watched this episode, but surely they'd have the same reaction.

Don't worry, Catbird will play nice and refuse to rise to the bait...for now at least! Hee hee hee

[caseyswife]

I have seen this episode several times now and have come to the conclusion that the husband has to be the evilest SOB that has ever been on LO:CI. Sam Robards did a tremendous job portraying the character - his performance made my blood run cold.

And that last line during the interrogation: "You see, that, that's AFFECT." Vincent was spot on with the delivery and so emotionally charged that he was shaking. Brilliant!!

One of the best, IMHO.

caseyswife

P.S. Did anyone else note the mistake in the date sequence? (During the clunk-clunk or whatever intros the dates don't line up. They go from 9/10 to 9/25 to 9/13.)

[sarahlee]

I have to say once again, KUDOS to all--this discussion is a delight to read. (Both a joy, and illuminating!)

Just a point about PPD; in my experinence, one of the most difficult aspects of depression is the ability of the patient to disguise his condition. Most often we find that these people are highly intellegent and intuitive and they can reason away much of the behaviour and hide their condition very successfully. Also, the people around them seem to miss the signs that seem so obvious later. Even the professionals. I did not see a conflict in Doreen's deteriourating behaviour and her and bomb-making. These people are sick, but they can still be smart and focused. It is tragic that often only after the traumatic event, the patient loses all control and we can finally see all the pain and destruction.

techguy: Thankyou. You gave me much to ruminate on.

[Patcat]

Yes, how many times has a person committed suicide and their friends and family declared that they had no idea the person was depressed. Depression is an insidious thing.

Patcat

[Techguy]

The tampered space heater is a metaphor for depression in general, and post partum depression specifically. The heater was intended to emit carbon monoxide, a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas, and is aptly named "the silent killer" much the same as depression is.

[sarahlee]

techguy, I now agree that you are the grand poobah! Good point about the metaphor for depression, more to think about...

[ragincajun]

Seems to me as big as the explosion was even though the windows were open, Doreen and Adam would have been more injured than they were. But it was a thought prevoking episode.

[DonnaJo]

The detective at the scene told Goren that they were thrown through the windshield. Both Adam & his mom did not have their seat belts on and both had their side windows open. The kids in the back were pinned in by car seats.

I agree with you, being thrown by a moving fireball through a windshield should result in more serious injuries. It would have been more realistic if they had Doreen sustain a broken leg or at least an arm. Kids are more flexible, so the boy not breaking anything is more likely.

[barb]

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I thought this series was very good it actually showed the full emotions of Goren which at the time i thought it was sad at end where unfortunately he could not finish the case so it goes to show how a good talented actor he is but it makes you think when they do these scenes like this that it can take over, then they realise they are only acting

[Patcat]

Bumped for EOTW.

Patcat

[Techguy]

Another EOTW reference bump