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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 9, 2005 12:22:09 GMT -5
Does anyone get the sense that there was a romantic spark between Goren and Nicole, or would be if she was normal?
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 9, 2005 12:31:28 GMT -5
maybe a connotation of growing up? Both Nicole in the sense that she was a mother after a fashion in this episode rather than a disturbed child her adult character reacts against and the kid who has to live with her father killing her mother and trying to kill herself. Her road to adulthood is not going to be easy. I see an episode of the future...Nicole suffering from Munchausen by Proxy syndrome. Just a thought, Mr.Balcer.
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Post by Cassie on Oct 9, 2005 12:50:23 GMT -5
Does anyone get the sense that there was a romantic spark between Goren and Nicole, or would be if she was normal? I think sparks flew in "A Person of Interest" Remember when they first met? the chit chat, He appeared to be attracted to her. He is always bringing up to her, when they first met, that she wanted him to see the sparkling little girl. Eames stepped in between both of them to stop Nicole's flirtation. Eames's response was no different then when in "Zoonotic" The vet in his speedos was trying to get a rise out of Eames. Goren stepped in between the two of them. Like he was protecting her from the creep. Maybe when Eames's stepped in between the Nicole and Goren that is something that cops learn or are trained to do while working with a partner, part of looking out for each other.
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Post by BegToDiffer on Oct 9, 2005 16:17:03 GMT -5
Romantic spark between Goren & Nicole? ?? Please, someone, get a baseball bat and beat me until I'm unconscience! Not in a million years. Not romance.
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Post by Cassie on Oct 9, 2005 16:19:20 GMT -5
Come on BegToDiffer, when they first met, there very first meeting....You don't think Goren, thought she was kind of cute??? Go check that scene out.....He thought she was pretty
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Post by tlt7470 on Oct 9, 2005 20:57:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I missed the episode Grow. It's killing me and I have to know what happened...the whole story!! Will someone please tell me?? The only basic thing I'm getting from here is that Goren let Nicole go?? PLEEEEEAASE tell me
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Post by NicoleMarie on Oct 10, 2005 14:37:19 GMT -5
I'm with BegToDiffer. Kill me please. I never saw any "sparks" in Anti-Thesis. I saw Nicole try to flirt but did not see Goren respond to her. Goren himself reinforces this in POI when he said somethig like "Remember when we first met? You wanted me to see YOU for who you are, how bright, how smart you are". He at least had the sense to see her for what she really is- a psychopath. How could anyone see any sparks in POI (their second meeting)? I think this sparks stuff is all imagination from people who watch too many soap operas! ;D Goren would truly be insane if he "fell for" Nicole. ;D
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Post by BegToDiffer on Oct 10, 2005 14:55:37 GMT -5
Cassie, I saw Nicole trying her best to flirt with Goren in that first episode, and I saw Goren being suspicious, even then. Romantic, I couldn't be convinced of that for a million bucks.
Besides, I don't believe Goren thinks in terms of "cute" unless he's talking to kids or dogs.
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Post by Techguy on Oct 10, 2005 15:29:09 GMT -5
I won't speculate on the motives of those who continue to insist on "sparks" between Det. Goren and Nicole. My own opinion is that while he might have been intrigued by her intelligence at the outset in "Anti-Thesis," there is NO way he would be remotely interested in any kind of romantic entanglements with someone like her. His moral fiber and intense commitment to his job would preclude any thoughts of Goren connecting with Nicole romantically. For me, they are, always have been, and hopefully will continue to remain, antagonists who are drawn to one another to demonstrate to each other--and the viewing audience--the different life choice paths each took in response to their respective traumatic childhoods.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Oct 10, 2005 15:48:46 GMT -5
the different life choice paths each took in response to their respective traumatic childhoods. Choice. That is the key word Techguy!
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Post by Summerfield on Oct 10, 2005 16:31:17 GMT -5
Thanks TechGuy...couldn't agree with you more!!
Well said.
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Post by trisha on Oct 10, 2005 20:53:23 GMT -5
I saw some sparkage in Anti-Thesis. I think that D'Onofrio and D'abo have really great chemistry, too, and even when you put their characters in perspective, that little spark is still there between them. I look at it this way, if either Goren or Nicole had made different choices, they'd be perfect for each other, because no one will understand him like her, nor her like him, and deep down inside, that's what they both crave.
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Post by aboutnici on Oct 12, 2005 16:17:51 GMT -5
I've to agree with you there, Trisha! I mean VDO and ODA have their characters in some of attraction, every time they confronted each other!
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Post by NicoleMarie on Oct 12, 2005 18:43:43 GMT -5
I hate to kick this horse again but reading these last two comments made it dawn on me another reason why Nicole grates on me so much: I don't see any chemistry between her and Goren and I especially don't see any between Vincent and Olivia, either.
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Post by janetcatbird on Oct 12, 2005 18:59:15 GMT -5
It's been a while since I saw "Anti-Thesis", but what I remember was Goren thought Elizabeth Hitchens, professor of literature was intriguing. Smart, attractive, socially disposed, one of those "Hmm, potential." When he found out that Elizabeth Hitchens was actually Nicole Wallace, it nipped that in the bud. While he may have this matter of fact registry of "She's turning on the charm now", he's not going to fall for her. He may at first have thought she was dealt a bad hand, but now that he's had to face her over and over he's rapidly losing his sympathy. Of course he's sorry that a little girl was abused by her father, but that does not allow/excuse/condone an adult's conscious decisions to murder and manipulate others.
D'Onofrio and d"Abo, from the little I've read, are real-life buddies. I don't know if they're close friends or just amiable colleagues, but d'Abo was supposed to be the lead in "The Whole Wide World" before she got pregnant and they brought in Renee Zellweger. I mentioned elsewhere I'm not sure I like that the leading man has such clout that if he wants to do a scene with a chum they write him/her in, but that's not fair to D'Onofrio. This is all totally unfounded speculation on my part, but my guess is it started as D'Onofrio saying "Hey, I know this lady who might be good for the role", then he/she/writers thought they'd have some fun with "A Person of Interest". But once the viewer votes and stuff kicked in, I have a feeling that it's out of the performers' hands now. Didn't NicoleMarie post that link where d'Abo said she was surprised the viewers let her live, and she herself would have wanted Nicole to die? Again, all my thoughts are purely speculation--to be crude I'm pulling it out of my butt with no real foundation-- just my hunches/guesses.
TLT: Goren did not let Nicole go. She got away before he could get to her because he and Eames were busy arresting the buttwipe father/doctor. Are you in a different area--Australia or somewhere that's on a delay? I can't give a play-by-play, but I'm sure someone knows a web address where they provide those sorts of things.
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