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Post by bringirl2001 on Apr 18, 2006 19:26:03 GMT -5
I definitely think that the shows are getting BETTEr now-- this seems (as Wrongful Death did ) like they are TRYING thard to get the show back on the right path- to me- it has been the writing-- we know VDO's health was an issue and KE's pregnancy etc--- but I think NOW- this 5th season- they are trying to get back to writing " thought provoking looks into the criminals mind" which was really the thing that made LOCI--- so different from say SVU or the mothership!--- I also liked seeing a glimpse into Eames and seeing Goren try to help her-- and try to comfort her----I think the ole partnership is gonana be kickin IF and WHEN it comes back next season
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 19, 2006 7:34:38 GMT -5
I agree, I like seeing Eames take the reins a little more, too she being the senior officer & all.
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Post by trisha on Apr 19, 2006 11:57:05 GMT -5
I agree, as well. I've liked this season very much. The only down spots for me were Barek related, but having Logan to pop and sizzle in those episodes made up for her lack luster performances.
And I LOVE Eames! No matter what happens with VDO and Goren, I hope she's always a part of the show.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 19, 2006 21:40:27 GMT -5
Barek's somewhat dull preformance is annoying to me but it's not enough to stop me from watching the L&B eps, I watch them for Logan .
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Post by NicoleMarie on Apr 21, 2006 0:41:19 GMT -5
This is one of these episodes that irritated me without my being able to put my finger on it. After reading the posts, especially Techguys, I have to agree this show would have been more enjoyable without my knowing of Vincent's acting methods or research. The was an overemphasisis of it and Gorens' overexuberance about it was annoying as hell as well. For some reason, I kept feeling the need to scream to the tv "Alright, I get the beeping point already!!"
When Eames srcrunched her nose when she picked up the clothes at the murder scene and later said "That's a drunk for you?", did anyone think "Eames doesn't like drunks" or is it just me? I noticed her distaste right off the bat. I think it was easy for Cabbie to pick it up as well. Goren should have picked up that Cabbie picked it up. Kinda odd that he got played, as an observer. When Eames pounced on the woman during interrogation, I thiught, "Eames, stop being a B***h." When she told Goren " I felt the need to push her", I said "It's because you don't like drunks, dummy".
Well, if anything this one had me talking to my tv.
Though it was explained why Cabbie stayed in character after the film fell through, the explanation was rather confusing. I felt Cabbie stayed in character because he was missing a few marbles, rather than supressing or resurfacing emotions. The explanation made sense but at the same time, it didn't.
I also found it odd that an FBI agent would so readily give some dufus the kind of access that he did. The agent lacked common sense. He shoukd have realized there was a problem when he didn't hear from Cabbie again.
And why was Carver being so difficult? Even Deakins seemed to be giving them a bit of attitude. "You caused the problem, you fix it." As for the season so far, I think it's a mixed bag. A slight improvement from season 4 but still a long way to go.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Apr 21, 2006 0:47:10 GMT -5
I notice this one had a bevy of producers and executive producers...usually they shows don't. Maybe it's like that for this season but I just noticed it last night.
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Post by goreamesfan on Apr 21, 2006 10:08:04 GMT -5
I have to agree with those that felt the emphasis on method acting was a bit indulgent -- and we've had other episodes where method acting is highlighted (the two actors who set up a murder to get media exposure). But I ended up really liking the episode regardless because it was well written and well acted, as usual. And even if this particular episode was influenced by VDO (and I'm not saying it was), I'll forgive him a LOT given what he adds to the show.
Regarding Eames' dislike of alcoholics and maybe even alcohol -- we've had clues about this in previous episodes. In Death Roe, Chris Penn serves up some grappa to Goren and Eames, and Goren is clearly tickled (hilariously so), until Eames mentions that they're on duty. She's pretty stern about it -- as if it's about more than obeying the rules for her. Goren's disappointed reaction -- like a kid whose just had his lollipop taken away -- is hilarious.
One more point: Why do so many viewers feel so much disappointment in Season 4? I've seen many episodes, and I've thoroughly enjoyed them! I don't see any falling off in quality. Maybe I have lower standards?
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Post by caseyswife on Apr 21, 2006 10:59:44 GMT -5
I also liked Season 4, goreamesfan. The majority of S4 eps were right up there.
NicoleMarie>> I think there was a real life case of a murderer who had some sort of connection to an FBI agent not unlike the example in this ep. Can't remember all the details, but it did involve the agent allowing this person to listen to tapes of victims,etc...
caseyswife
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Post by trisha on Apr 21, 2006 11:04:57 GMT -5
I don't think you have lower standards. People are not always going to like the same things, and I think our episode polls are pretty indicative of that For me, it wasn't about the quality; that has always been top notch. It's the direction of the stories that bothered me. I felt it was too indulgent to Goren fans who love melodrama, and went against the grain of the first and second seasons -- almost like it wasn't even the same show anymore. This season is much more like seasons 1 & 2 with stand alone episodes and a focus mainly on the psychology of the criminal and his/her crime. This is the CI that I fell in love with, and while I can handle a few of those more character driven episodes and even enjoy some of it, I'm really resistant to the show going in that direction full time.
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Post by LOCIfan on Apr 21, 2006 12:52:32 GMT -5
NicoleMarie, the stars must be aligned! For once we agree on an episode!
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Post by Lilee on Apr 21, 2006 13:11:26 GMT -5
I have an Uncle who is an author, lives in California. I visited him when I was in High School and the strongest thing he said to me is: "When I get up from the typewriter, (yes, it was that long ago...), I must bring myself back to reality....I look at my own hand and say, "this is MY hand"...I look at my kitchen table and say, "this is my kitchen table..", etc.
I don't think the focus on this character's take on method acting is just about D'Onofrio. Lots of actors work the same way. Lots of actors have played intense and sickening characters brilliantly, (take, for example, Anthony Hopkins). I saw it as an example of how far a disturbed mind took it. This is what got to Goren.
The interviews I've read about VD'O researching the character in The Cell highlight his disturbance with the subject matter and how hard he had to work to come back from that. But he did, every day. He didn't cross that line. He walked it.
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Post by bringirl2001 on Apr 21, 2006 20:05:18 GMT -5
well I liked the shows in Season 4 also-- I didn't know that others had aproblem with season 4- to me-- Season1 and 2 were the best-- and Season 3 was not quite as good without Eames --- once she was back- i loved them- and Season 4 had some good eppys to me--I also like most of these in Season 5--- my fav of season 5 so far- are wrongful death and of course In the Wee Small Hours--- wish they would do another 2hour movei with all 4 of them- and PS- yeah i do think that the actress who plays Barek IS the " weakest link" teehee--- but she is still an ok actress- just NOT up to par with those who play logan or goren or eames
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Post by Summerfield on Apr 22, 2006 21:21:44 GMT -5
I think this is one of the better episode this season! For one thing, we got away from the dysfuntional family, greed factor. I thought the "method acting" angle was fun.
As far as Eams taking control. with more lines and character insight? She's no gOren.
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Post by Observer2 on Apr 22, 2006 23:20:08 GMT -5
Of course she’s no Goren, LOL!
But as Goren mentioned in Semi-Detached, Eames has different skills and abilities that are complementary to his. The two make a good team; and it seems to me that when Eames has a strong role, the team is stronger.
I enjoyed the focus on her in this episode, the bit of backstory, the fact that her buttons got pushed badly enough to cause her to blunder, and the unusual angle that gave us on the partnership between her and Goren
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Post by Summerfield on Apr 23, 2006 8:44:10 GMT -5
"I enjoyed the focus on her in this episode, the bit of backstory, the fact that her buttons got pushed badly enough to cause her to blunder, and the unusual angle that gave us on the partnership between her and Goren."
Yes, I'd agree with that.
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