2011
Silver Shield Investigator
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Post by 2011 on Apr 16, 2006 22:26:11 GMT -5
This one was OK--especially the titbits into Eames' personal life.....the drunk sister etc....and wasn't it extremely smart of the villain to catch that from the short time he had spent with her?
What did you guys think?
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Post by caseyswife on Apr 16, 2006 22:34:49 GMT -5
I am kind of torn over this episode..... I think I will have to watch it again. Loved that Eames was crawling up that guys arse, for sure. But it almost seemed like Bobby was her shrink or something in that hallway scene. Lord knows, she has been his shrink enough though the years, but it just seemed forced. As I said, will watch again and comment further. caseyswife P.S. I am loving those tan/brown/whatever color shirts of VDO's this season! Not as great as blue, but lookin' good. (He is always SUPER FINE.)
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Post by osmondfan on Apr 16, 2006 22:52:35 GMT -5
I liked it. I thought it was nice, like was said, to see a glimpse of Eames' personal life and to see her getting personally invested in a case and Bobby giving her a little support, instead of the other way around.
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Post by trisha on Apr 16, 2006 23:15:19 GMT -5
I agree. Nice change to see Eames being the one getting used by a perp and pushing a suspect too hard. The bit about the drunk aunt did feel like a little more information than Goren would have needed. After 5 years working together, wouldn't he know all that already? I have no complaints about getting the information, just about how it was delivered. It had a slightly soapy aftertaste.
Anyway, did anyone else feel like this was a little bit of an adventure into VDO's world of acting, his work with The Cell, and what could happen if an actor took the method too deep?
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Post by Sirenna on Apr 16, 2006 23:42:22 GMT -5
Yes! I definately thought it was a take on Vincent's in depth research methods for his movies, especially when he said something like: "Seeking the truth: it's not for the faint hearted" at the end. I can imagine him listening to victims horror stories and looking the way Goren did listening to the 911 tape of the woman.
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Post by mikeyrocks on Apr 17, 2006 0:12:52 GMT -5
I did find this episode interesting - Right now I can't really say much more than that! I liked it enough - Just still trying to digest it!
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Post by comedykicks on Apr 17, 2006 7:10:30 GMT -5
I think Eames's character needs to work on the empathy a bit. When she told that girl everything it would work out, she seemed forced and stiff.
I LOVED that Erbe got such a great role this time around. The squatting and sniffing the cigar spot on the floor? Loved it. Plus she kept pushing that girl and once the confession spilled out she seemed so uncomfortable with what she had done.
Its like her partner was really rubbing off on her. VDO is still the brains and reasoning behind this team but she is catching up.
Loved it for that reason.
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Post by Patcat on Apr 17, 2006 8:24:50 GMT -5
I liked this episode for being Alex driven(g)
And I didn't sense anything particularly soapy about the interaction between Eames and Goren. It seemed he had some knowledge--as if she'd mentioned she had a relative with a problem, but had never elaborated on it.
And I think having read some of Mr. D'Onofrio's interviews about acting added another level to this show.
Patcat
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Post by Summerfield on Apr 17, 2006 9:28:39 GMT -5
I agree. Anyway, did anyone else feel like this was a little bit of an adventure into VDO's world of acting, his work with The Cell, and what could happen if an actor took the method too deep? Absolutely! I thought the same thing. As far as Eames, she noticed the cigar stain, but it was our guy who noticed the peep hole had been cleaned! That and the way the trash can liner was knotted. That is so gOren! Interesting how Alice honed in on gOren. Can't say I couldn't blame her! I was satisfied with this one.
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Post by mimi1802 on Apr 17, 2006 9:33:52 GMT -5
I really like to see parallels being made between a character and an actor (directly or indirectly). It shows that the two are intertwined, that one can’t be without the other, and that the character will leave a mark (or a scar) on the actor playing him/her.
This episode was one the best from a criminal perspective that I’ve seen on CI for a long time. Watching the criminal going through what Mr D'Onofrio probably had to go through and seeing Mr D'Onofrio, in character, as Goren acting on the other side of the mirror made for a really interesting face off.
I remember asking myself why Mr D’Onofrio was so reluctant to talk about his process for that particular character. I mean I knew it must've been hard for him. But last night I understood how hard it must’ve been getting into that character's world; but that getting out must've been harder, and getting out untouched, unchanged...impossible.
and I also believe Mr D’Onofrio did more than listening!
Eames participation in that case was kind of a standalone. I had the feeling she was left out of the open in that one. Usually, I see both partners looking out for one and other. But I felt Goren was in a parallel universe, leaving Eames emotionally exposed. Carver held on to that confession a little too much for my own taste. Normally, Carver goes to battle when he's pretty sure he can win the war, but I felt the case wasn't very strong and yet he was willing to go through with it.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 17, 2006 9:49:42 GMT -5
I liked the little tidbit on Eames' life, perhaps thats why she & Goren get on so well, they both have something in common... trouble siblings.
I don't think that Bobby's 'shrinking' was forced, if anything he seemed almost uncertain, like he wasn't used to reassuring her (she is usually the reassurer)
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Post by mikeyrocks on Apr 17, 2006 10:47:05 GMT -5
I thought that Alex had said that it was her Dad's sister that had the drinking problem - So her aunt and not her sister.
I guess I will have to go back and rewatch BUT I was so sure she was talking about her aunt.
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Post by Patcat on Apr 17, 2006 12:04:45 GMT -5
Yes, it was her father's sister.
I think Goren was a bit uncertain in the role of the support giver, but he also handled it the right way for the relationship between Eames and himself. Quietly reassuring, gently reminding her of their jobs--I don't see Eames responding well to much more, especially from him.
Patcat
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Post by avemah on Apr 17, 2006 12:20:05 GMT -5
I thought this episode was interesting, if only because it seemed more like an 'Eames' episode as opposed to a 'Goren' episode, which IIRC has never happened before. We learned more about her, which was nice. My only complaint is that this sort of thing should have happened in Season 1, when the partners were still getting to know one another. To have her confess to an alcoholic aunt after five years, especially given all the cases they've worked on that included an alcoholic of some sort, seems a little out of place. So now we know Eames' "button" is alcoholics, like Goren's "button" is deadbeat dads. And we've always known her soft spot (her dad or anything to do with cops). And Goren's soft spot is his mom, or anything to do with mental illness. Interesting dichotomy between the two detectives. I'll have to think about that some more. Did it seem to anyone else that Alex was looking to Bobby to 'fix' the problem she'd created by getting Alice to confess? Every now and then it's like she looks to him to do something, to fix whatever it is--and usually Carver's in the room. Did anyone else pick up on this, or am I just seeing things? She did it in "The Pardoner's Tale" too... It's almost like they were going for something similar to what happened to Bobby in "A Person of Interest", but didn't quite manage to get it to work right. That was odd. All in all, I think I have to go watch it agin Oh, and one more question. Do we know what happened to Eames' mom? I don't recall her ever being mentioned.
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Post by goreamesfan on Apr 17, 2006 13:36:31 GMT -5
I agree that Goren already seemed to know about Eames' aunt. I didn't think it was awkward. And I liked it that Eames was a little vulnerable this time. Both Goren and Eames are such tough cookies; it's nice to see the cracks every once in awhile. And it's nice to see the way they support each other. I also liked the fact that Goren seemed unaccustomed to the role and wasn't really all that much help to Eames, though he tried.
I thought this was one of the better episodes this season. Seems like a return to form. LOVED Eames undercover as a madam. Too funny.
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