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Post by sarahlee on Jan 7, 2007 14:23:55 GMT -5
ci Leight...
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elizabethbay
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Oh god, I've swallowed the tie clip...
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Post by elizabethbay on Jan 8, 2007 18:33:56 GMT -5
Not back yet, but just figured out how to log on from overseas via remote into Oz, then to the USA. Wanted to see the take on World's Fair. Confused about the overall opinion on this one. The slant of this thread seems very positive about WF, but the ep poll tells a different story. Perhaps a lot of people who didn't post comments did take the time to rate the ep, and rated it as only average? Usually there is a greater parallel between thread and poll. Interesting.
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Post by Techguy on Jan 8, 2007 19:13:28 GMT -5
Confused about the overall opinion on this one. The slant of this thread seems very positive about WF, but the ep poll tells a different story. Perhaps a lot of people who didn't post comments did take the time to rate the ep, and rated it as only average? Usually there is a greater parallel between thread and poll. Interesting. EB, I noticed this disparity also, and was expecting more correlation between posted comments and poll results. Either, as you say, those who didn't post comments voted and rated it average, or else some of those members who liked it haven't yet voted in the poll.
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Post by Sirenna on Jan 8, 2007 23:12:10 GMT -5
Well the poll, as good as Techguy made it, isn't exactly gallup-proof. I also think many people who didnt' like the episode didn't post on it. It is a very touchy subject, event these days.
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Post by madger on Jan 9, 2007 9:06:33 GMT -5
And then there are people like me, who liked it on first viewing, but found it irritating on second viewing, what I was able to sit through.
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okaadaak
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Post by okaadaak on Jan 9, 2007 11:29:26 GMT -5
[ Romeo & Juliet are Italian and Muslim Can't believe you wrote that!!! Maybe you should give the play another try. What makes you think they're muslim? Because of course they're not.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Jan 9, 2007 12:12:40 GMT -5
The "Romeo" in this 45 minute play is Rudy Ventano, an American-Italian; the "Juliet" is Meena Hasni, a Pakistani-Muslim.
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Post by goreamesfan on Jan 9, 2007 22:09:56 GMT -5
I'm one of those who didn't particularly like the show -- gave it a C on the poll -- and couldn't muster the enthusiasm to post a comment. The whole thing left me flat, the definition of mediocrity. Maybe I'm particularly disappointed because I'd enjoyed the last 2 L/W episodes and thought their episodes were improving.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 11, 2007 0:48:48 GMT -5
Caught this one tonight - This one left me a little unsettled because it seemed like so much stereotyping. I'd like to see it again.
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Post by LOCIfan on Jan 11, 2007 1:48:00 GMT -5
LOCIfan, I'll ask you the same question Sirenna did. Personally, I think this episode avoids the stigma of racial stereotyping by not singling out one group and by pointing out how we all are, or can be, guilty of this behavior. See, this is where I disagree. I didn't find the episode more acceptable just because every racial group portrayed was shown to behave within well-defined racial stereotype hash marks. Instead, it simply multiplied my disgust with the episode. The Pakistani Muslims are traditionalists with rigid familial hierarchical beliefs who've suffered racism in the wake of 9/11. The Italians are rascists with a blind eye to some types of morally questionable behavior. The Hispanics are day laborers standing on the corner begging for a day of work. The Hasids are territorial and rascist. Oh, and, conveniently, those same Hasids, who should be pretty well schooled in all their stereotypical Yeshivas etc... somehow lose THAT aspect of the stereotype when it suits the writers' lazy plot. Um, the Hasids chase down Pakistani girl because she's video taping them only to allow her to leave with her digital video footage?! Footage they know contains evidence of them committing a crime? Nice plot twist. An unbelievable and idiotic twist that allows the detectives to do even less detecting than they've been doing all season. So racial stereotypes are fine when it suits a tired, well-worn plot, but screw it when the writers don't want to write real detecting. It just got under my skin and really irritated me. NONE of the representatives of each racial segment transcended a stereotype. They were not real people. They were not real characters. They existed only as stand-ins for racial prototypes. And that's offensive. I just didn't find it less offensive because there were so many of them.
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Post by Metella on Jan 11, 2007 7:35:34 GMT -5
That brought up the point for me again - the video tape was still there? WTF? I also was totally brought out of the plot when the whole tape was there and in good shape. At least they could have had it exposed or craked if it was a disk & some e-geek pros having to work it back together. No - that was beyond believable & it jerked me out of the story.
Thanks for bringing that up again - it had slipped into the shadows of my memory.
But I do see many who immigrate from other countries really cling to all their old cultural habits. I never will get that. Traditions - some things; sure. but to recreate a little piece of where you decided you needed to leave? No - that is just silly at best and a denial of the real situation at medium and usery of the new country at worst. I say; jump in the pool and swim with all of us - don't stay in the shallow end and float on your personal raft. - oops - done with the rant.
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Post by ragincajun on Jan 22, 2007 11:47:56 GMT -5
Do to the worlds fair site would have like to have seen Goren and Eames in this episode. Due to VDO and MIB. Think it was also Heart breaking how the daughter never saw her parents kiss, but figured the parents had learned to love each other. Wonder after seeing the Video if the mom felt different about setting up the arranged marriage, seeing how much her daughter loved her american boyfriend. Wish Logan would get rid of his Green suit.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 22, 2007 18:31:04 GMT -5
As a New Yorker who grew up in Queens and was actually at the 1962 World's Fair ( I was a very young child) it fascinates me when I see Logan & Wheeler walking through Flushing Meadow Park or Goren & Eames searching the junkyard at Willet's Point (my old train station).
Seeing them in these very real & actual settings help make these characters very real to me. It adds a trueness to the show that other shows lack. The borough of Queens truly is a melting pot of ethnic & racial groups. Unfortunately, the tensions displayed in World's Fair are real, not a fabrication of the writer's.
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