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Post by nwchimom on Oct 12, 2007 10:09:45 GMT -5
As for the sample container, he was making another sperm donation, yuck. Oh. LOL, I guess I'm not as worldly as I thought.
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Post by trisha on Oct 12, 2007 10:38:09 GMT -5
Nosee, I completely agree with everything you wrote!
And, like Tere, and I'm sure Nikki, I noticed the similarities with the old Mothership episode right away. It didn't bother me, though, because they did have their own twist on it. The ending ... well, it's no worse than some of the things Goren has done to get what he feels is justice. Remember what he did in The Good Doctor? Or in Suite Sorrow? And lets not even go into the the things Jack McCoy has done.
I let these things go as part of what you might expect, fear, or hope would happen in giving power and authority to other humans to engage in the pursuit and deliverance of justice. No, I do more than let these things go -- I embrace them. It's the moral and ethical struggles that have always kept me tuning into Mothership and CI.
What I liked MOST about the episode was Falacci. I think she and Logan are a good match, and I love how arrogant she is. She's like a female Mikey from back in the day ... And, forgive me for my squee, you know I don't do it often ... goddamn did he look good last night!! He looked 10 years younger, and I had to hide my panting and drooling from hubby everytime my Mikey smiled ... *sigh* [/fangirly stuff]
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Post by nosee on Oct 12, 2007 13:10:22 GMT -5
I agree Goren and even McCoy has done things to get what they feel is justice and they might go a little around the law to do it. And yes, that's what Logan/Falacci did here too, but that wasn't the part that bothered me.
In the past whether it was a Goren/Eames, Logan/whoever, or even on SUV or the origional L&O, when the whole show is concluded there was always a scene or at least a last conversation between the two main characters that sumed it up and brought closure to the episode. This one didn't have that and it needed that last...something.
After all, many of the best lines came from those last scenes. And I missed that.
nosee
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Post by ragincajun on Oct 12, 2007 14:04:53 GMT -5
shouldn't have Rush also been arrested, for either tampering with evidence, or obstruction? Or maybe Logan figured he would wait till after the Bone Marrow transplant. Rush did attempt to cover up the blood with bleach, then moved the body and repostioned it.
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Post by batescitybabe on Oct 12, 2007 22:05:46 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300] In the past whether it was a Goren/Eames, Logan/whoever, or even on SUV or the origional L&O, when the whole show is concluded there was always a scene or at least a last conversation between the two main characters that sumed it up and brought closure to the episode. This one didn't have that and it needed that last...something.nosee[/glow][/glow][/glow] I know what you mean about feeling like something was missing. After thinking about your comment, I wondered if maybe the fact that the story is not summed up at the end sort of represents the fact that for all of those children out there waiting for "daddy" to come around/for and neat and tidy ending...well they are going to keep waiting. Or maybe I'm over thinking it. ;D It's late and I'm tired.
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Post by Techguy on Oct 12, 2007 22:42:20 GMT -5
It looks like Trisha and I like this episode a lot more than almost everyone else.
As much as I liked Logan and Wheeler partnered last year, Falacci made an immediate impression on me for her grating and pushy ways. Sure she's got a lot of moxie to question ME Rodgers' abilities, but I enoyed seeing how she and Logan worked together to solve the murder. I really do want to know how Logan and Fallaci met and how their first meeting went.
I thought Michael O'Keefe played Eli Rush to the hilt, and established himself as one of CI's most contemptible and memorable villains--and he wasn't even the killer. I have absolutely NO problems with the ethical/unethical aspects of the bone marrow transplant emotional blackmail, as in his case Rush got exactly what was coming to him. Justice triumphs and a sick young man will get the treatment he needs. Way to go Logan and Falacci.
All the redhead Rush children reminded me of the Farkle family skit on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In. The gist of the skit is that all the Farkle children did not resemble their dark-haired parents, they had red hair just like their "good friend and trusty neighbor" Ferd Berfle. What a ROTFL moment!
BTW, is anyone else surprised that Ross shared lunch with Logan and Falacci? Despite Falacci's pushiness, Ross seems to be on friendly terms with both detectives. The last time, the only time, I recall Ross getting anything close to chummy with any of his detectives is his lunch room conversation with Eames in "Silencer" last season.
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Post by ragincajun on Oct 13, 2007 9:19:37 GMT -5
I think we need a mix, a little of Falacci a little Wheeler. Dang dye my hair red thats me! ;D
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 13, 2007 9:39:51 GMT -5
BTW, is anyone else surprised that Ross shared lunch with Logan and Falacci? Despite Falacci's pushiness, Ross seems to be on friendly terms with both detectives. The last time, the only time, I recall Ross getting anything close to chummy with any of his detectives is his lunch room conversation with Eames in "Silencer" last season.LOL, Techguy, about the Farkle Family. That was a great skit. The episode clips that you provided us from NBC for "Smile" show a few scenes of Ross having lunch with Goren & Eames in the same 1PP cafeteria. Guess Ross likes to break bread while at the same time being kept in the loop. I like that, it levels everyone out. He can come across as more of a colleague than a superior.
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 13, 2007 11:20:52 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about this show, it was kinda sloppy but enjoyable.
Liked Logan's reaction to the dog, you never see him that soft, must be a "Marvin" memory.
Was surprised at the way he questioned the genetics guy (Abortion!). Could have been just trying to get his attention OR making a statement, what do you think? Abrupt ending and unbelievable. Eli was a creep, but he was clear he gave the boys life and that was it. I don't know if there is an outright obligation to donate bone marrow. Falacci seemed harsh with her "I'd rather be at a crime scene than a kids birthday party." I can understand, but still!
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Post by musicwench on Oct 13, 2007 11:46:27 GMT -5
Still don't like the renovated theme. Looks like Witt gets starring credit and a perp walk unlike Samantha Buck.
On first look she's all right. Looks like she's going to be butting heads with everyone. When Ross says she's not a people person, you know she's got issues. LOL Goren's going to look like the altar boy he once was compared to her. Still find her character to be unbelievable. She took time to have three kids and she's got no people skills? Yeah, right. She makes Major Case that quickly?
Love Michael O'Keefe. Played a sleeze ball very well. Creeped me out just watching him.
The aria was weak. As someone else mentioned, it sort of ended rather abruptly.
Over all I thought Logan was a bit off. Then again it could be Noth is playing him in recovery from Renewal. I do recall someone saying - probably Leight - that Goren and Logan are both kind of in a midlife crisis stage of their lives. Also, Logan could also be reacting to his third partner in three years and not being happy about it.
I think Falacci is a more interesting character than Wheeler. Despite my annoyance at another redheaded nubile young detective being thrown at us, I think she may prove to be more fun to watch. Ross saying she's not a people person was hysterical, considering Ross is rather abrasive in his own right. LOL
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 13, 2007 13:02:00 GMT -5
I think the woman is like nails on a chalkboard. I'd almost rather see Shannon Doherty in the role, she is capable B***hy.
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Post by musicwench on Oct 13, 2007 18:19:04 GMT -5
I think the woman is like nails on a chalkboard. I'd almost rather see Shannon Doherty in the role, she is capable B***hy. Well, Shannon Doherty doesn't have to do much acting to be a capable B***h from what I've read about her. Maybe Falacci will get on my nerves, too. Right now I still say she proved to be more fun to watch than Wheeler was when she first showed up.
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 14, 2007 11:46:33 GMT -5
MJ, what an ingenious idea that would have been, hiring Shannon Dougherty as Logan's very smart, sassy, B***h-on-wheels partner! Alicia Witt is a poor substitute in comparison. Besides, Shannon is older & looks it.
To me, the problem with both Witt & Nicholson is the unlikliness of Detectives with their youth & subsequesnt inexperience being hired for the elite Major case squad, even temporarily.Wheeler had Ross as her Rabbi, that explains that, I guess. But Falacci? Maybe we'll find out she's the Chief of D's daughter.
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 14, 2007 12:24:44 GMT -5
Thank you Donna Jo and I agree, esp. Falacchi-when did she have time to advance AND have 3 children? And how was she able to hear the people person comment at that distance with Ross' tone of voice?!
Personally I thought the turkey baster father was the worst because I felt he had more obligation. In general, too creep heavy to be believable but still enjoyable to this Logan lover.
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Post by Patcat on Oct 14, 2007 15:51:51 GMT -5
I liked the plot of this episode--having not seen the mothership episode similar to it I can't make any comment on that element. I found it interesting that one man who didn't donate his sperm but raised two sons didn't view them as his son while another who donated the sperm also refused to acknowledge his sons. Not a lot to be said for fatherhood.
I began by actively disliking Falacci, but warmed to her as the story progressed and she pulled it back a bit. The actress is fine, but I'm not sure the character is being written sympathetically.
Ross seems somewhat more comfortable with his detectives--he stood up for Goren and Eames last week and was pretty comfortable with Falacci and Logan.
I still think I like Wheeler better.
Patcat
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