7:2 - "Seeds" 2007-10-11

[Jefferaldo]

Just had my chance to watch this episode. Wow! Bravo Michael O'Keefe. That shot with him saying "Oh you can't believe him he's a killer" was delivered PERFECTLY. It was bloody creepy.

I am mixed about what nosee said about the last lines. It would have been great (one of my favourites are from "Acts of Contrition" and "Unchained") but then it wouldn't have had the final shots of the animosity between father and son and the music that juxtaposed it. I actually prefered this episode to Amends. Amends was too soapy for my liking. It actually seems like 2 different shows now with this Logan episode feeling more like a season 4-5 episode. In some ways it reminds me of Dramma Giocoso.

Still hating the blonde Rodgers.

I have a feeling that Fallaci is a single mother. Her B***hy character, to me, is believable because I know people like that. In fact I sometimes am like that without realising it. I think people skills has nothing to do with Major Case. As Logan says "shes a case closer" or something like that must mean she clears cases quickly and works very efficiently. She seems very focused and dedicated to the task on hand, a busy person and that is what, to me, makes the 3 children background believable too. Maybe she had many siblings to babysit as a teenager and is used to responsibility. She seems to love playing with her PDA or maybe she needs to, to keep in touch with her kids while not being distracted.

Except for Lennie, she is my favourite Logan partner. Much better than Wheeler who IMHO is the most unbelievable character.

Maybe TPTB characterised her as a "B***h" as to not have many people miss her when she leaves -- they seem to have done the same with Bishop but she was more of a quiet internal "B***h" ("well no kidding he came to kill her" *rolls eyes*). I'm hoping that because of her addition to the cast and perp walk and the lack of mention of Wheeler and Julianne Nicholson on the USA site means that Witt's contract states that TPTB have the option of keeping her on if her addition is welcomed. I have not missed Nicholson at all and Logan/Fallaci seemed to have great chemistry.

About the connection with this episode and the mothership's, it is a very different episode. Characterisation, motives, twists, plot, backgrounds were completely different from what I remember. I will rewatch the mothership episode soon to go into more depth about this. And anyway, there have been many episodes where 1 Law & Order has mirrored an episode from one of its sister shows. The most recent being CI's "Brother's Keeper", SVU's "Sin" and the Mothership's "Church" which all featured a homosexual preacher and evangelism.

Bring on the next Logan and Fallaci episode!!

[mimi]

Best line: the mother in the delivery room "Get that son of a B***h here". Hey don't mess with a pregnant woman!!!

I really enjoyed the episode. I got scared for a moment when I realized it was another take on the Cecil Jacobson case, but I was positively surprised that the insemination part didn't take central stage.

I love the chemistry between Logan and Fallaci. She reminds me of young Logan and now Logan reminds me of Briscoe. Very few called Logan an asshole back in the days, they said he had a temper, that he was hot-headed. Why when a woman displays similar characteristics, she's automatically labelled a B***h?

I think when Fallaci wants something she wants it now! If you don't deliver you'd better have a good reason for it. I didn't feel she was being disrespectful of Rodgers, she wanted to know why it took so long. Maybe she didn't verbalized it all that nice; but it sure beats Goren taking over and actually doing Rodgers' job. That for me is disrespectful. And that Fallaci girl sure can take a joke...and she smiles! Boy I don't remember when I saw someone smile on CI!

I lost track during the episode when they untangled the murder: 2 doctors (brothers), the nephew, the wife of one of the doctor who had an affair with the second, the third dude with his sick brother, etc, etc, etc. all with pretty common names (except for Eli). Is there a genealogist in the house? At least give them names that will stick, how about Snap, Crackle and Pop?

Michael OKeefe gave a great performance. That dude had a well-oiled seduction routine. So if I got this straight: his son killed his brother; he came in and found his brother dead around 8-ish, he put his brother in the other room, pulled down his pants, put the speculum in his mouth, went to dinner with Kiki (loved that name), came back around 3am, pulled his brother's pants back up, took the speculum out of his mouth to do the alleged mouth-to-mouth. Wow, Eli wins the palm of the perp who goes to the most trouble to save his ass.

Second best line: "Do you know how much giving bone marrow hurts." That line was so lame, but the delivery...oh the delivery!

[mimi]

Question: what did Fallaci ask the doctor when he closed his eyes to remember what was Eli pick up line.

Do you have [eidetic] memory?

Is that what she asked?

ETA: to put proper verb!

[Jefferaldo]

Yes that is what she said.

ETA: or asked

[nwchimom]

Obviously I'm the only one at this board who loathed Seeds. I'd be thinking I must have seen a completely different ep but there are people on other boards who also hated it.

Michael O'Keefe gave a great performance? Watch The Faithful and compare that performance to Seeds. I think you'll see that not only were the lines lame ("giving bone marrow hurts") but his delivery was even lamer.

If they moved around episodes to present Seeds as the best intro for Falacci (Seeds originally was slated to be the second L/F ep), I'm not holding out much hope for the rest.

[ragincajun]

oh my loath is such a strong word, I didn't care for it, but wouldn't use that word, Just think after watching sooooo many repeats just glad to see something new, I don't like Falacci, how ever you spell her name, she is just tooo much, but wheeler is too little, need to combine the too. But is it me? Or did Ross have a bigger roll than usual in this one? I definitely wouldn't re watch this one.

[mimi]

I think that's why I liked O'Keefe's performance. He played the character with all the detachment it required. A self-centered, liar who, like a drug-addict, always tries to get to his next fix. In that case, he was searching for his next lie. This was supported by the way he staged the whole thing.

Eli could juggle multiple lies at the same time without blinking. O'Keefe played the role with the emotional indifference it required. Sure the character was less passionate than the Father and very lame, but that's what O'Keefe delivered: a lame, indifferent, and cold character.

[DonnaJo]

I have a feeling that Fallaci is a single mother.

Jeff, she's supposed to be married according to her back story. But I can see why you would think that about her. She lacks that guilt that's usually associated with the single mother (i.e Theresa Randle). Also, when she brushed her kid off in the opening scene, she didn't show any concern or remorse about not being home to help her get dressed., which is typical of many single parents, who tries & intimately fails to be everything to everyone. I almost expected her to say, "Ask your dad. He's home. He should be helping you." Meaning, if that was supposed to be her day off, maybe her husband was home too. I remember when I worked or was at a baby shower or something, my kids calling me with everything even though my husband was home. They assumed he didn't know what to do.

[ragincajun]

Oh I was under the impression she was telling her husband where the costume was so he could dress like the clown for the party since she couldn't. Guess I will have to go back and listen again.

Modified:

Listened again: I don't think she is talking to a child, She says the wig is in the closet, put on some of my lipstick. Then tells Logan I would prefer to be at a crime scene then play a clown at a neighbors birthday party. So she is having someone play the clown for her. I don't know about yall, but I talk in a different tone with my small children than to my husband or other adult. And if it was someone besides her husband, she would have probably said, MY closet. So her husband is probably stuck bringing the kids to the party and dressing as the clown.

Also the receptionist at the doctors office looked so familiar had to look her up, Carrie Yeager Played in the Posthumous Collection as Maisie, who was suppose to be the last Victim.

[ragincajun]

mimi said:

I think that's why I liked O'Keefe's performance. He played the character with all the detachment it required. A self-centered, liar who, like a drug-addict, always tries to get to his next fix. In that case, he was searching for his next lie. This was supported by the way he staged the whole thing.

Eli could juggle multiple lies at the same time without blinking. O'Keefe played the role with the emotional indifference it required. Sure the character was less passionate than the Father and very lame, but that's what O'Keefe delivered: a lame, indifferent, and cold character.

O'Keefe is a great character actor, not as great as D'Onofrio, but he is very good in everything I have seen him in.

[DonnaJo]

ragincajun said:

Oh I was under the impression she was telling her husband where the costume was so he could dress like the clown for the party since she couldn't.

Yes, that could be true. I thought it was her child and it bothered me that she would be so nonchalant & unfeeling to the poor little thing. OK, I'll give her another chance..

I know the attitude of the non biological father to his "sons" really bothered her. I liked that about her. And her question to Logan about having kids....it didn't seem like she was prying, just curious. I'd personally like to know what Logan thinks about having kids myself. We know Goren wants children, he said as much to Nicole

[ragincajun]

I don't remember if it was the mother ship or CI, most probably the mother ship, something happened with some kids, and Logan made a comment saying Thats why I never had kids, or never wanted kids. I can't remember exactly what happen or the exact quote. Or was it Nowyou know why I never had kids. Maybe it was to Lenny he made the comment. I was looking for the quote, and found this site with other quotes, it mentions Logans girlfriend having an abortion against his wishes. It also mentions that he was molested, but I don't think that happened. I haven't seen all episodes of the original so I don't know all of Logans history. But here is the link for those who are interested.Logan

[hansen21]

Ragincajun,

You may be referring to comments made by Logan to Barek in the Season 5 episode where the mom is having her kid rob jewelry stores. That's the episode where Barek forces/encourages Logan to tell the kid about Logan's mother and Logan's anger. We get vulnerability and backstory without maudlin behavior. I thought Logan/Noth performed very well.

After seeing Falacci and Wheeler, I still believe that the most credible detective/partner for Logan has been Barek.

I noticed last season that Ross seemed to have more screen time. His energy throws off the scenes. I recall one episode where Logan and Wheeler are just standing there like paper cutouts while Ross exudes energy. That actor that plays Ross has lots of energy. He could probably do an entire CI episode alone; the actor has a lot of energy that crackles and is exciting. Yet when he's in a scene with the detectives, Ross diminishes their performance somehow.

[deathroe]

That was DEFINITELY in the first Barek-Logan show. Or maybe in "To The Bone," but I think it was in that first one. (btw I know everybody loves Briscoe, but Dzundza/Greevey was my fav. Logan partner. He was exceptional).

I think the Logan/abortion comment comes from the rarely-shown "Life Choice" (mothership S1). I would verify this if someone hadn't stolen most of my DVDs this past summer. Man, that show used to be great.

(Not wanting to start anything with this, but "Life Choice" is a parallel episode to "Third Horseman" and would make a very interesting classroom comparison, given the ten years of intervening history.)

[deathroe]

And Hansen21--I'm thinking they should get Bogosian to WRITE the d**n show!! ::still not wanting to accept that the great days of LOCI writing are history::