1:18 - "Yesterday" 2002-04-14

[Patcat]

This was one of the episodes repeated on Bravo this evening. It may be my overactive imagination when it comes to LOCI, but I sense that this case may mark the change in the relationship between Deakins and the two detectives. Deakins is at first, understandably reluctant to allow them to pursue his old case, but his basic decency and professionalism win out. The case has clearly stayed with him, and his trusting the case to Goren and Eames seems to mark a new point for all of them. From this case on, Deakins seems to be much less antagonistic with Goren and Eames.

Patcat

[darmok]

Good point, Pat. After Deakins grills the boyfriend, he steps out and watches through the window. Goren follows but says nothing. Deakins looks at him and says, "He didn't do it, did he?" He knows this, but he's looking for affirmation. Goren's silent body language acknowledges the statement. Before this, I don't think Deakins puts a lot of confidence in Goren's methods.

I love this episode. I think this is one of the episodes that shows Eames as a full partner. In season 2, she is just a sidekick, but they fixed that in season 3. But there were some season 1 episodes where she really pulls her weight. She had the year of the body based on the dress. She's the one that figures out Ricky's ex-wife. She shows she can figure things out too.

[effie]

Hey -- I see this is on USA tonight. For those of you with eagle eyes -- watch out for the first appearance of the green Hudson University sweatshirt. The old college roomate that Goren/Eames interview in Central Park is the first time I saw it being worn but it also appears in Nicole's classroom in "Anti-Thesis," and again in the crack den in "Diamond Dogs."
Just some fun for those of you who like to play spot the costumes!!

and lets not even get into the repeating artworks right now :0)

effie

[Leticia]

I've always loved this episode for the real classic interrogation scene. I season 1 so far Goren had tricked and angered people into confessions admirably, but here he totally breaks down his suspect, (or as I like to think, his victim) until there is nothing left. So while yes, Eames does pull her weight in terms of pushing the investigation forward with clues and insight, the dramatic focus is very much on Goren as he irritates, undermines and finally sympathises the serial killer into a sobbing heap. I just love that climactic moment where Goren pulls Jay to him mentally, echoing his deepest most shameful thoughts and desires while at the same time he pulls Jay to him physically and then just as he has drawn out the admission he releases him. The combination of sudden physical and emotional unbalance is too much and Jay’s years of careful self-restraint are over. I love the ending also because we do not see the final definite confession. We see Jay broken, his lawyer’s resignation as he knows his client can hold up no longer, Eames impassive but uncomfortable as she cannot help looking away, Goren’s face as he washes his hands of his empathy with the killer and looks at him with a mix of pity and disgust. No quips, just the sound of sobbing as we fade to black.

[Sirenna]

Effie:

Let's get into the repeating artwork. I love that!


for that matter spotting fleeting glimpses of rene balcer in episodes has become something of a past time too.

[Leticia]

Sorry to go on again, but thinking about this episode I had to go watch it on DVD and it was even fuller of great moments than I remember. The two Bronx women were sketched with humour, there was a rare kicking in of a door, a great bit of condescending know-it-all Goren with Ricky’s landlord (that brought to mind his S2 lecture on micro expressions in Zoonotic) and a funny little line from Ricky’s feisty lawyer (“So scoot” she says to Goren, who has dragged his chair behind Ricky in his typical personal bubble invasion technique).

But best of all is the wonderful symmetry of Jay as the executor of almost the exact technique that Goren later uses to break him in the aria. To kill his former friend Jay puts Ricky into a vulnerable position. In the aria Goren does this by taking away Jay’s control of the conversation, by moving Jay to where Goren wants him to sit. Jay does it to Ricky by taking him somewhere he is afraid- to a great height. He then sympathises with Ray, he gives a voice to his secret fears, he tells him that he knows him, he pulls him physically close, he watches as Ricky crumples into tears, he combines the bodily release of Ricky with Ricky’s emotional breakdown and he uses that moment of supreme vulnerability to eliminate Ricky. I was always so busy appreciating Goren's interrogation technique I never noticed that he stole it from Jay! Of course Goren does it even better becuase while Jay oozes insincerity and is stiff at having to touch another person Goren really makes you believe it. Ricky is the flaky one in the partnership, whereas Jay is the leader, but in the end Jay crumbles just as completely as the less competent partner he looked down on because Goren’s compassion gives him a greater understanding of and a greater ability to manipulate human emotion.

I just adore the depth that goes into CI.

I did have two questions-

Do you think that Jay persuades Ricky to throw himself off the building, or do you think he pushes him?

What was Jay’s “humiliating treatment” at the hands of the police, and why did he come in looking roughed up? I can’t think (and he doesn’t seem injured) that Goren and Eames would sink to police brutality, so what did they do? Arrest him publicly? Search him?

[sarahlee]

leticia said:

I did have two questions-

Do you think that Jay persuades Ricky to throw himself off the building, or do you think he pushes him?

Jay persuades Ricky to jump--definately. Ricky is only a pawn to chessmaster Jay, and it's all about the game.

[Cassie]

Sorry SarahLee, I disagree. Ricky was laying on his back, when he found. I believe Jay walked him/backed him off the edge of the building....Or just pushed him flat out. I can see Jay doing both.

"Be a good boy, keep a clean house" says Jay to his wife


geeze, now you guys got me all giddy over this episode....

[gorensdoppelganger]

What was Jay’s “humiliating treatment” at the hands of the police, and why did he come in looking roughed up? I can’t think (and he doesn’t seem injured) that Goren and Eames would sink to police brutality, so what did they do? Arrest him publicly? Search him?

Image was very important to Jay, he wanted to blend in and appear normal, not the killer/monster that he was actually. The detectives treated him like a moderate risk prisoner; they had some or all of the following removed; tie, belt, watch, shoe laces, glasses, etc. In taking away some of the items Jay used to mask his true inner self, the detectives were making him more vulnerable to their interrogation.

[Cassie]

leticia said:

What was Jay’s “humiliating treatment” at the hands of the police, and why did he come in looking roughed up? I can’t think (and he doesn’t seem injured) that Goren and Eames would sink to police brutality, so what did they do? Arrest him publicly? Search him?

They could have just put him in a holding tank with a bunch of street urchins.... just to teach him a lesson

A few years back in Philadelphia, Gary Heinnick was arrested for kidnapping, torture and murder. and he got the crap beaten out of him, rather quickly. Most people believe that the cops allowed the innocident to happen, by leaving him in a holding tank with a bunch of other prisoners.

Geeze, I dont think Goren and Eames would do that....
I would like to believe they wouldn't .

oh man..... I need to go check out that last scene with him and Eames, her sitting on the table, blocking his view.....

I need to review the show....
seeya

[Techguy]

My favorite part of this episode is how Goren turns the tables on Jay's controlling behavior. In Jay's office, Goren astutely observes how Jay's talking in a low voice forces Goren to move closer to him to hear--and closer to the door to be ushered out. Later, Goren and Eames work the interrogation room brilliantly--she turns her back to Jay while the detectives converse with the lawyer, and then Goren forces Jay to sit where he wants him to with his maneuvering the papers on the desk. THe orchestration, choreography and timing are impeccable, one of the many pleasures of this vintage CI episode.

[effie]

Truly this is one of those episodes I never get tired of watching.

I find the partnership dynamics between Goren and Eames endlessly fascinating. While they're much more in sync by this point in season one, there are still some really interesting tiny things that I noticed in this episode.

He is amused, but not phased by her indepth knowledge of mini skirts. I always liked this exchange because while he smiles when he says "you wore one of these" there is only pure professionalism after she says "I looked good in it too." No male leering or anything, just acceptance. Tiny moment, but interesting.

Then when they're interviewing Ricky's super, Goren is going in for the kill after "I know what really happened here" and Eames jumps in with the story, and there is a small look from Goren that's not exactly surprise, but definitely a reaction to her taking over the story, but then he just steps back and lets her run the show.

When they end up in the Bronx looking for dump sites she's the one talking to the old ladies, he's hanging out in the background reading maps with the uniformed officers. And then something I always found interesting, when they zero in on the Morrisey house, Goren open the gate as if to let Eames go in first, but then he jumps in front of her and rushes up the steps. Then when she's out of sight, he kicks the door down, which I doubt is police SOP, but what the heck...

Its all tiny little things, but the relationship between them is so interesting to me. It shouldn't work, but between his respect for her and her support of him, they just have this incredible affection for each other that I don't see (personally) as shippy at all, but so dynamic and fun to analyze.

Ok, enough over-analysis for this morning!!!

[sarahlee]

No, see effie, we love to over-analyse!

I like the part, in the aria, where Jay is whispering to Eames, trying to draw her in, and she has this wide-eyed innocent I-believe-everything look on her face. Except we know better!

[gorensdoppelganger]

effie states "when she's out of sight, he kicks the door down, which I doubt is police SOP, but what the heck... "

It's also an LOCI blooper, when Goren looks into the window of the house he's wearing his sunglasses, but when he turns around to kick in the door, he's not wearing them.

This is also one of my many favorite episodes, I also love SEIZURE in the first season for a [glow=red,2,300]GREAT [/glow]many reasons. LOL ;D

In line of what effie stated, in SEIZURE I think it's great that when Eames hands Goren her note pad to answer her phone, the way he just takes it and hold it's just proves how comfortable he is with his big man self. OK, I'll stop being female now.

[effie]

crap -- how could I have not seen the sunglasses/not sunglasses... I usually pick up on stuff like that...

I did however track the Shelby in "Cherry Red" which sometimes is IN the box, and sometimes OUT of the box w/o anyone touching it ;0)

analytically....