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Post by Patcat on Jun 29, 2004 23:23:16 GMT -5
"The game is afoot" occurs at least once in the Holmes stories.
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Post by jaquetta on Jul 1, 2004 13:51:13 GMT -5
It looks like I'm going to have to break down and finally read the Sherlock Holmes books or I'll miss out on too many references. Just to drive home the point to me, a character in the book I'm currently reading "The Club Dumas" identifies herself as Irene Adler. The protaganist guesses 'Study in Scarlet" but is corrected to "Scandal in Bohemia'. And the only reason I knew about her was some kind soul who posted the Irene Adler story in reference to Nicole/Whatever on LOCI.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 1, 2004 15:18:36 GMT -5
I'm scarcely unbiased in that I'm a big Holmes fan, but I think having some knowledge of them can add to the enjoyment of LOCI. It's not necessary, though.
I envy you, getting to read them for the first time.
I'd start with the short stories collected in THE ADVENTURES.
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Post by rune on Jul 5, 2004 14:34:08 GMT -5
So my current "far-fetched" theory is that the very first episode, One, has references to The Red-Headed League:
1. Luring the parents out for a chance to make money 2. The tunnel from their house to the jewelry store 3. Atwood's red-headed disguise
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Post by Patcat on Jul 5, 2004 20:55:56 GMT -5
Rune;
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm working on a paper that includes the similarities between Goren and Holmes--can I quote your comments about ONE and REDH?
Pat (pleased to be among such sharp people)
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Post by rune on Jul 6, 2004 12:24:35 GMT -5
Sure, Patcat. I love being quoted. I'd also like to read your paper when you're done -- if that's a possibility.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 6, 2004 12:29:26 GMT -5
8-)Sure, if it ever gets written!
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Post by jaquetta on Jul 6, 2004 14:00:01 GMT -5
Two stories into Adventures and I can already see and agree with exactly what rune is talking about. It is very similar.
What's the paper for, Patcat? No due date?
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Post by Patcat on Jul 6, 2004 22:44:40 GMT -5
::)Well, there are Holmes fanatics out there, and we tend to write papers about all sorts of things. ("Never has so much been written about so little for so few," wrote one of the early one of these fanatics.) I've been mulling over a paper that would look at characters who resemble Holmes, including Goren and Monk.
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Post by jaquetta on Jul 8, 2004 13:59:47 GMT -5
Sort of the continuing influence of Holmes on present day detectives in print or rather on television? Sounds interesting.
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Post by rune on Jul 12, 2004 11:30:15 GMT -5
So, Mormons in A Study in Scarlet and Sound Bodies --coincidence?
And I'm thinking very long and hard about The Adventure of the "Gloria Scott". There are several things that remind me of Nicole/Elizabeth strangely enough.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 12, 2004 13:30:50 GMT -5
Australia and Australians do pop up occasionally in the Holmes stories. There's a theory that Dr. Watson visited there.
Nicole/Elizabeth is frequently compared to Professor Moriarty, Holmes' archenemy.
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Post by rune on Jul 13, 2004 15:35:37 GMT -5
It's mostly the fact the Mr. Trevor (aka, Armitage) was an embezzler who changed his identity and started over in another country and then had his past come back to haunt him. Of course he actually "went straight," as opposed to N/E who just keeps manipulating, killing, and scheming.
I haven't gotten to the stories with Moriarty in them yet, but I can't wait to see if I think Nicole/Elizabeth actually fits that part.
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Post by dreamcatcher on Jul 13, 2004 19:26:27 GMT -5
I'm no authority, but I have read all the Sherlock Holmes stories and just about all the critical assessments. In my opinion, Nicole/Elizabeth doesn't even come close to Moriarty in intelligence, cunning, ruthlessness, or any other category I can think of except for smiling - they both tend to have a smirky, "I'm better than you" smile when things are going their way.
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Post by rune on Jul 22, 2004 16:46:31 GMT -5
I had to take a bit of a break on my reading, but I finally (hee) got to The Final Problem last night. So is that actually the first mention of Moriarty in the cannon or did I miss something? Any of our resident Holmes' experts care to fill me in...
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