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Post by Patcat on Dec 6, 2004 11:48:46 GMT -5
For anyone interested in Holmes, National Public Radio's Sunday Weekend Edition program had an interview with Leslie Klinger, the editor of the NEW ANNOTATED SHERLOCK HOLMES, which has just been published by W.W. Norton, this past Sunday. The interview is an excellent introduction to Holmes, and I think it explains some of the connections between Holmes and Goren. You can hear the interview at www.npr.org. Just find Sunday Weekend Edition, and follow the links from there. Patcat
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Post by chief on Dec 18, 2004 13:26:17 GMT -5
OK, I just looked into this forum today for the first time. And admittedly skimmed the first half dozen or so entries. Someone mentioned in one of the posts that Goren was based on Holmes. I mentioned the same thing on Goren's beard (Ithink) re: the similarities between Holmes and Goren. Sorry D'N fans but I have to say, Holmes' know it all attitude was never as aggravating and rude as Goren's. I suppose it has something to do with the gentler era in which Conan Doyle lived and wrote. chief
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Post by chief on Dec 18, 2004 13:34:23 GMT -5
I forgot to mention. If any of the crime genre readers are interested in current detective fiction I heartily recommend Micheal Connelly's series about LAPD Detective Harry Bosch. His adventures in "The Last Coyote", "Trunk Music" , "Angels Flight", "Black Ice", "Blood Work"and "The Concrete Blonde" to name a few are very realistic and offer interesting insights into th LAPD Psyche. His latest about the disgraced newspaper reporter and his tattooed lady friend, not so much. chief
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Post by Metella on Dec 18, 2004 17:51:48 GMT -5
quite
I like the more .... um ... face to face insulting ? manner of Goren, hurts when you (the target) get what he is saying ...... amusing to Goren & Eames if you don't get it .... a win win situation for Goren. ha!
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Post by KMC on Jan 12, 2005 22:36:57 GMT -5
Hi everyone....I'm new this evening...so I'm just getting my feet wet. I've been watching CI since the beginning...and have been a Sherlockian for about 38 years....and I've been amused by some of the Canon references. Goren and Eames have a more equal partnership...detective wise...then Holmes and Watson did...though like Eames...Watson did keep Holmes grounded...and in Holmes' own words...Watson was "a conductor of light"
Doyle himself became involved in some real-life mysteries...digging back in my faulty memory I believe he helped a man wrongly convicted. Doyle also believed very strongly in the supernatural...and in fairies...believe it or not.
I notice no one's mentioned the truly dreadful Holmesian film VDO was in...he's scenery-chewing turn as Moriarty was the one bright spot in it.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 12, 2005 23:38:36 GMT -5
You're referring to the case where Doyle proved that an Indian immigrant was not guilty of several cattle mutilations.
Doyle became interested in and an advocate for spiritualism in his later years, which is where his interest in all forms of the supernatural developed. If you're interested in any aspect of Doyle's life, I'd recommend Daniel Stashower's recent biography. It's an excellent work.
Patcat
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Feb 18, 2005 11:34:55 GMT -5
thats probably why i'm such a LOCI fan b/c goren's character is based upon Holmes... a show that i lived for when i was a kid (i still have & watch my orginal tape collection LOL ) But there are some differences btw bobby & sherlock; Bobby is 'busier' then holmes was, he almost looks hyper active to me, always moving, always thiking where Holmes used to sit down & think it out (do my knowledge, i havent seen those tapes in yrs LOL, they are now worth $ i have been told & dont watch them much anymore in order to preserve them). i absoultely LOVE the eames/watson role, i always wondered what sherlock episodes would be like with a female watson.
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Post by M on Mar 23, 2005 3:32:45 GMT -5
i absoultely LOVE the eames/watson role, i always wondered what sherlock episodes would be like with a female watson. They made one of those, trust the yanks to milk Doyles work for all they can. The film was was a present day flick and a for-all-time failure. I never liked Jeremy Bretts portrayal of Holmes.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 23, 2005 9:40:37 GMT -5
M.;
Are you talking about the TV films that had Holmes in a cryogenic state and brought back to life in modern times? There's two of those--heaven help us--and both were television pilots. One is marginally better than the other.
I liked Jeremy Brett's performance a lot, particularly in the earlier episodes, although that doesn't mean I dislike other screen Holmeses.
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Post by KMC on Mar 23, 2005 22:30:57 GMT -5
Actually Holmes was a classic manic-depressive...he would have spurts of great activity...followed by the classic smoking his pipe and thinking periods. Of course the cocaine probably had something to do with his mood swings.
I think early Brett is as close to canonical Holmes as anyone has gotten...and I've seen most of the Holmes...back to the silents...no..I'm not that old...I've just been a Holmesian for decades.
What made the Granada series work so well was the actors that played Watson...both Burke and Hardwick captured the true spirit of Dr. Watson...never decending into the "Boobus Britannicus" that too many of the movies have portrayed him as.
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Post by M on Mar 23, 2005 23:41:27 GMT -5
M.; Are you talking about the TV films that had Holmes in a cryogenic state and brought back to life in modern times? There's two of those--heaven help us--and both were television pilots. One is marginally better than the other. Patcat I saw a film version of the cryogenic one, not television pilot. I've not yet come across either of the tv pilots, but can only imagine their limited success.
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Post by E. McCoy on Nov 7, 2005 18:53:25 GMT -5
I love what all of you have said...even though it was a few months ago. Sherlock Holmes was/is a fav. character of mine, and has been for the longest time. My grandpa bought me the 2 vol. paper back set back in 1996 and I spent every summer night reading the series. I also recommend The Encyclopedia Sherlockiana....amaizing book listing every character and actor ever to play Holmes or Watson. I recommend picking it up. I would also watch Rathbone and Brett videos with my Grandfather too. I def. agree that Jeremy Brett and VDO play their characters very similarly, and I love it! These two characters are extremely similar. Holmes did indeed seem to be very manic-depressive, and I wonder if Goren is not showing early signs of his mother's illness As to the episodes. Yes I think One is a remake of The Red Headed League. I had not noticed this (blushes) until I read it here. However, there have been little things I have picked up in episodes. Surnames of characters are the same names as those in the Sherlock Holmes stories. I really agree that Wallace is Moriarty in a womans form. I will have to re-read the cannon to see any similarities to the show.
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Post by E. McCoy on Nov 8, 2005 23:13:44 GMT -5
Ha I found an ep:
Zoonotic Dr. making women ill w/ wierd diseases
The Dying Detective Holmes investigates the death of a man who get some weird unheard of disease.
Only difference is Bobby does not get/fake that he is ill to catch the bad guy.
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