jaquetta
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Post by jaquetta on Jul 22, 2004 18:19:35 GMT -5
Okay, now I know where to skip to check out Moriarity. The Jeremy Brett television series Final Problem is playing on the biography channel at 8 this Saturday. (and midnight and 5pm on Sunday)
I haven't read any more Holmes stories, but I did catch the PBS version of The Strange And Early Years of Conan Doyle last week(or something like that) that was basically about Conan Doyle's history. Pretty interesting. I had no idea his father was an artist that ended his days in an asylum, so I just had to go check out a biography or two to read about it for myself. With my library card, of course.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 22, 2004 23:29:24 GMT -5
The Brett Series, especially THE ADVENTURES & THE RETURN, are the best. He's extraordinary as Holmes, and I see similarities between his performance as Holmes and D'Onofrio's as Goren.
The best biography of Doyle is by Daniel Stashower.
Patcat
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Post by jaquetta on Jul 26, 2004 14:06:07 GMT -5
I had to go home and check, but Daniel Stashower is the bio that I checked out! And Julian Symond's bio on him too, I think, just because it looked interesting and DS acknowledged it in the bibliography.
Not that I've had a chance to read it. I'm reading an Inspector Maigret book (because he was referenced as an influence by Rene Balcer along w/Sherlock) and I'd never heard of him before, and even that short book is taking me an eternity to finish!
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Post by rune on Sept 7, 2004 12:25:17 GMT -5
I finished reading the cannon! Yay. ;D
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Post by dreamcatcher on Sept 7, 2004 14:19:13 GMT -5
Hooray, Rune! Way to go! Now that you're finished (for the first time anyway since we Holmes fanatics tend to read a good portion over and over), what do you think about them? Which stories are your favorites, and did any of them make your "don't read again" list? You must be really satisfied to have finished your summer goal by the first week of September. That's very impressive since it can take many people much longer than that the first time through. ;D J
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Post by Patcat on Sept 7, 2004 14:27:37 GMT -5
Way to go Rune! I am mightily impressed! (It took me a couple of years to read all of the stories.)
Just be careful--Holmes can be an extreme obsession (g).
And I'd be interested in your thoughts as well.
Patcat
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Post by rune on Sept 8, 2004 17:52:51 GMT -5
Hi! I'm not ignoring ya'll -- I'm just busy at work and still trying to process all those words. I will say that I thought the stories in Holmes's voice instead of Watson's were odd -- makes me think that ACD was getting bored and trying to re-interest himself. More soon...
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Post by jaquetta on Sept 9, 2004 12:43:22 GMT -5
ACD was thoroughly sick of Holmes - he tried to kill him! In fact, he did kill him but was forced to bring him back nine years later by popular demand (and lack of cash?)
I'm still winding my way through the canon, slowly but surely. Congrats on finishing it, rune!
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Post by Patcat on Sept 13, 2004 9:57:46 GMT -5
Doyle didn't completely hate Holmes. He certainly appreciated the cash and the celebrity Holmes brought him, but Doyle did feel Holmes distracted people from what he thought was his serious work.
Doyle wanted to be Sir Walter Scott. He didn't realize that he was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and that he had created one of the most influential characters in fiction.
Patcat
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Sept 13, 2004 22:17:16 GMT -5
if your in the person that doyle based a lot of the character on then you might want to see a series called murder rooms, it is about the real life counterpart of sherlock holmes , dr joesph bell. it stars ian richardson as bell and somebody else plays doyle. it is a great series,very intriguing and it shows you a lot of what doyle thoguht about when he created holmes. i find it intresting that bell was not actually a sort of priivite detective like holmes but rather a professor of medicine at endiburgh university. the chracter of bell i think is proabbly more intresting than that of holmes in that he was real but also because he was so little know in his time that it was amazing. yes he worked on cases for the police but the general public had no idea who on earth he was untill the chracter of sherlock holmes appreared on the scene and then bell became almsot as famous as the fictional holmes. doyle himself was an unusal chracter in the sense that he never really like holmes all that much and he killed him off and only brought him back because the public was unhappy that he had been killed off(kind of funny how holmes remerges from the dead and no body noticies.) i think one of the key reasons he did not like the chracter much was it remined him to much of his dealings in the past with bell whom he admired but at the same time felt antiphathy towards( mostly beacuse of his manner and the lack of warmth that bell often displayed towards people including doyle). i hope i havent boared you all. reagrds all rom.
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Post by Patcat on Sept 14, 2004 9:15:10 GMT -5
MURDER ROOMS is a very entertaining and well made series. Ian Richardson (who has also played Holmes, and very well) is excellent as Dr. Joseph Bell and looks eerily like him.
But, these stories are fiction and should be regarded as such. I'm not sure Doyle and Bell ever investigated any crimes together, and I'm also not sure Bell ever acted as a consultant to the police.
Patcat
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Sept 14, 2004 11:28:12 GMT -5
Patcat i agree with you that doyle and bell proabbly did not investigate any crimes together, but bell was actaully called in numerous occisons by the police to help with baffling evidnce including beacuse of his revloutnairty take on medical examintion or his often called his "method", doyle was a student of bells in his classes and bell was his mentor.
Bell was acutally called in to help scotland yard with the jack the ripper case along with one of his collegues. bell may have found out or come close to finding the identity of the real killer but history will never know beacuse neither doctor reveled what they had discovered.
as for murder rooms itself yes some of it fiction but a lot is not for instance the bulk of the case about the man with the pipe and the wife who was gassed was infact real and yes bell was responsible for helping the police solve that partiucalr case.
as for the rest some of them are based on real events but have modify and altered to help the story flow better.
bell was intrestingly viewed with a mixture of anger and respect by the police beacuse they saw him as an outsider but at the same time knew he was often right about his conclusions( not always but often).
alright thats all i can think of now talk to you more later
regrads rom.
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Post by Patcat on Sept 14, 2004 11:55:53 GMT -5
Hi Rom;
Could you cite the sources of your information on Dr. Bell assisting the police? I don't doubt you, I'd just like to read them myself!
Patcat
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jaquetta
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Post by jaquetta on Sept 14, 2004 12:09:30 GMT -5
I'd be interested too, rom! I've been watching Murder Rooms and they're very good. Any port in a No New L&OCI storm, you know.
You're right, Patcat, ACD didn't completely hate Holmes but I was really surprised at how much he didn't love the character and grew to feel completely overshadowed by him. This is gleaned from a couple of biographies though, I've not exactly extensively researched it. Yet. I'm not even done with the canon! So bear with my semi educated statements and please put me to right where I've got it wrong.
It's just so wonderful to have a board where I can actually discuss this stuff!
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Post by Patcat on Sept 21, 2004 13:54:59 GMT -5
Well, I finally got a chance to write down and even speak about the similarities between Holmes and Goren for a group of Holmes fans the weekend of September 11. It wasn't the paper I intend to write (g), but a rather rambling discussion of Holmes films and how he continues to influence detectives and mystery fiction today. If anyone is interested (or wants a sure way to go to sleep), I could email a copy to people. There's a great article on Holmes and his influences on several TV detectives, including Goren and Monk, that appeared in an October, 2002, issue of the NEW YORK TIMES. It's available online at the reelvincentdonofrio site. Patcat
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