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Post by Metella on Feb 21, 2005 16:50:10 GMT -5
I get the feeling that the in the Faithful; Goren was being .... um gallant. But in some others, he was manipulating them - using their fears to get them to confess because in a trial they may have squeezed out of the guilty verdict & he didn't want them getting off - so he was pushing them into the confession.
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Post by LOCIfan on Feb 21, 2005 18:53:54 GMT -5
Bogdonovich was amazing!!! It reminded me of the casting of Claire Bloom to play the bad Shakespearean actress, Marion, in Unrequited. That was also a stroke of casting genius. And Joel Grey in Cuba Libra wasn't bad either.
Yes, the title was disappointing. I'm one who enjoys sinking my teeth into a good title. But they haven't all been duds this season. Eosphoros was my favorite, but I also especially liked The Posthumous Collection, Magnificat, and even Gone (simple, but lots of implications).
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 21, 2005 19:04:17 GMT -5
I like the title. It's blunt just like the crime was and it does have other connotations too.
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Post by Techguy on Feb 21, 2005 19:54:50 GMT -5
The episode title is OK, average. Certainly not loaded with extra layers of meaning--if it was chosen to capture the fringe watchers of "Desperate Housewives" then shame on CI for stooping to this tactic. My own choice for a title would have been "Blood & Wine" but there is a movie with Jack Nicholson by that title. So perhaps copyright laws prohibited the writers from using it again.
Lots and lots of great stuff in this episode, and the inspired casting leads the parade. Peter Bogdanovich's turn as an especially unflattering uber hedonist is right on the mark; Rosanna Arquette combines ruthlessness and vulnerability to create a complex and sympathetic character. Bravo to everyone involved.
This was already mentioned here and another thread, but I also sensed Det. Goren's discomfort with the honeys, especially the "smelling of booze and sex" comment. I don't doubt Goren flashbacked to his memories of his father; how painful for him to have to see and hear this kind of lurid behavior all over again. No wonder Goren was so determined to protect the daughter as he urged the killer mom to confess.
I rather enjoyed the combination of humor and pathos in "Sex Club" and the segues between them. Overall the episode came across as a sort of Hugh Hefner meets Austin Powers offering. One of my favorite Season 4 episodes so far.
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Post by Marie on Feb 22, 2005 0:20:27 GMT -5
The Bob Fosse directed film STAR 80 tells the story of Dorothy Stratten, and in that versions, as well as some others, neither Mr. Hefner nor Mr. Bogdonavich come off well. There are so many different and varying accounts of it, to be sure. As everyone involved of course, had their own spin on it! (No one wants to look like the bad guy, eh?) The worst I've heard of Hefner is that back then, he liked to sleep with the Bunnies; his own private little harem, so to speak. Nowadays, he seems to spend more time "presenting" an image of virility - via his busty blonde entourage. Kinda pathetic, really. And no doubt Bogdanovich was aiming to project that. She was. That's the tragedy of the story - how everyone used her; either for sex or make money off her. It happened 20 years ago, and if you weren't old enough at the time or paying attention, it would have slipped beneath your radar. Now it's just a footnote in the pages of the 80's. Like all the celebrity parties at Club 54 or CBGB's in New York. I love that they asked Boganovich to play George Merrit, though! For if you remember the story, it adds some fun subtext to the episode!
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Post by Patcat on Feb 22, 2005 0:54:17 GMT -5
The more I consider this episode, the more I agree with Techguy--this was a very good episode. I tend to like the stories that delve into Goren's psyche, and so I wouldn't rate this as a great episode. But there were moments when Goren's past influenced what was going on in this episode. There were great moments for Eames, Carver, and Deakins, fine performances from the guest stars, and a real mystery solved by good solid police work and Goren's psychological insights. (We actually saw Goren and Eames following paper trails, something real detectives do).
Patcat
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Post by Marie on Feb 22, 2005 9:16:26 GMT -5
...a real mystery solved by good solid police work and Goren's psychological insights. (We actually saw Goren and Eames following paper trails, something real detectives do). I liked that about it, too. Although I did wonder how the ex-bouncer from Bacchus & Venus managed to get into the apartment to kill that ex-honey? We know that Arquette's character killed him and that's easy enough to explain away, but isn't there security where that ex-honey lived? It certainly looked like a posh building based on the interiors.
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 22, 2005 10:43:31 GMT -5
I liked this episode too. It was funny, pathetic, sordid and romantic all at the same time.
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Post by MelTex on Feb 22, 2005 11:39:38 GMT -5
I always like the episodes where we get to see the detective act more like real-life detectives, and stories that have some eye-opening moments-- and moments that make me laugh out loud (the bullpen incident).
I don't think they could have done a better job with the guest stars. Wonderfully acted!
Sitll kinda wished we could have seen more on the Baccus and Venus bouncer, before he was killed...but oh well. The bouncer/politician connection and the TX lawyer (yea I laughed out loud again at Deakins' statement..."Worse, he's a Texas Lawyer." Well put, and yes, very true...our TX lawyers can be sweet-talking, drawling slimeballs) but those connections kinda got me turned around, then he was killed by Arquette's character.
BTW, we actually get to see a season 2 episode tonight?! REALLY?! *falls over in faint...*
oooh if they change it up at the last minute...*growl*
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Post by NikkiGreen on Feb 22, 2005 15:21:34 GMT -5
There was a mention made of a missing key card at the beginning, at the crime scene.
The bouncer used the stolen key card to get into the room and steal the black book from Lila Parsons.
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 22, 2005 15:25:30 GMT -5
The episode was interesting in both it's frankness towards SEX and towards men who have opinions on women having sex.
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Post by Marie on Feb 22, 2005 17:48:17 GMT -5
There was a mention made of a missing key card at the beginning, at the crime scene. The bouncer used the stolen key card to get into the room and steal the black book from Lila Parsons. Ahh...! I totally missed hearing that - "...maid reported finding a pass key near the body, that's how the perp gained entry." (just checked the ep on WMP.)
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Post by lisianthus on Feb 22, 2005 18:47:21 GMT -5
The episode was good. I'm surprised they didn't make more of Goren's hearing the "smelling of sex and booze" comment. Maybe more sympathy towards the girl or a later saying something about it.
Please, what does "ITA" mean?
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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 22, 2005 19:12:58 GMT -5
ITA= I Totally Agree.
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Post by missymagoshi on Feb 22, 2005 22:41:59 GMT -5
I thought this episode was really great. The title is so so, it does the job and not much more. I enjoyed both the darker and lighter sides story and I thought the guest stars performances were excellent. The honey's trailing GM were a hoot. Goren genuinely seemed so focused at GM's house, like the whole honey thing was something he outgrew years ago. He was very polite with George, but you could see underneath the surface that he wasn't impressed by the guy, which is funny, b/c so many of the guys I know would literally give their left nut to be able to go to one party at the Playboy mansion.
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