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Post by NicoleMarie on Feb 28, 2005 14:54:40 GMT -5
This episode confirmed for me that Goren is not asexual!! Nice to see him get his knickers in a bit of a twist. There IS a man underneath those suits!!
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Post by lisianthus on Mar 4, 2005 18:37:11 GMT -5
There are several episodes where he's checking out the women in the room. And one where he tells a guy (paraphrased) "come on, when a pretty woman talks to me- I notice." I never thought he was asexual.
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Post by KMC on Mar 5, 2005 0:17:57 GMT -5
I've never seen Goren as asexual...just as a professional who can keep a leash on his testosterone.
As for the casting of PB as the Heffner-esque character...knowing their history...it gave me pause. I figured that PB might have seen it as a way to give HH a bit of a back-handed slap.
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Post by Metella on Mar 5, 2005 9:03:01 GMT -5
I always got the feeling Goren was highly sexual. He is really in tune with all his senses - so from there, add in his extreme consideration for other people ..... what a combo for behind closed doors.
I think he sees no reason to display for no other reason than to show off macho. He can tower about people, that is showy/macho enough. I don't like struting men anyway, they remind me of noisy roosters.
Go Goren.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 5, 2005 10:50:54 GMT -5
This episode will be repeated on the USA Cable Network tonight (March 5) at 11 pm EST.
As I posted before, I thought Goren was a bit flustered by the "Honeys", although whether the result of his own embarassment or embarassment for Eames I don't know. I also thought it interesting that Deakins seemed somewhat bored with the whole thing, and Eames maintained a commendable professionalism.
Patcat
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 6, 2005 12:00:39 GMT -5
I always got the feeling Goren was highly sexual. He is really in tune with all his senses...add in his extreme consideration for other people ..... what a combo for behind closed doors. ... he sees no reason to display...to show off macho... I don't like struting men anyway, they remind me of noisy roosters. Go Goren. You've exactly summed up his appeal for me. Macho guys strut. Confident guys know they don't need to.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 6, 2005 14:09:35 GMT -5
Maybe asexual was not the right word choice but, Goren never struck me as being too responsive to women. He always seemed more interested in his work than in women. Women have flirted with him before and he noticed but didn't respond. He strikes me as a loner and not because of some psychological hang up but, because of his own nature. I am may in the minority here but, oh well. I usually am.
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 6, 2005 15:25:24 GMT -5
I think he's very responsive to women. He's certainly perceptive enough to know when they're flirting with him (which episode did a women, he and eames were questioning brush his lapel and he called her on it. I think the scene was in a night club.)
However we see him meeting them in the context of work which means they're either suspects or known associates of suspects - not exactly stellar dating material, I'd say.
(Only weirdos date people they know are linked to criminal behaviour - sob stories included.)
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Post by NicoleMarie on Mar 6, 2005 18:05:40 GMT -5
He's not responsive in a romantic way. He keeps that part of himself, and in his responses to women, very hidden away. He limits his responsiveness to profiling. He separates that part of himself from his work. Then again, it's a good thing that he does. I think the only women I ever saw him "respond" to was the waitress in "A person of interest".
As for meeting women on the job, of course he wouldn't date an unsavory character. Goren is odd but he is not stupid. CI doesn't shows Goren meeting women outside of the job. I'm sure he must meet plenty of women off the clock.
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Post by Cassie on Mar 6, 2005 18:27:33 GMT -5
(which episode did a women, he and eames were questioning brush his lapel and he called her on it. I think the scene was in a night club.) I believe that she was from the episode "Maledictus". I have always gotten the feeling that Goren was active in the dating field. His old girlfriend Irene, we met in the episode “Enemy Within“. She implied the reason the two were not together anymore, was that he did not want to settle down. She had a new man in her life. Carlo’s was his name, and they were saving to buy a home. I believe that Goren first priority in his private life is his mother. I don’t see him as a mama’s boy. He is a person who has an unusual responsibility, which is to care for his schizophrenic mother. She comes first. I don’t think too many women would be willing to settle for second. I also don’t think Goren would ask them to. Maybe when his mother passing on, Goren will find a girl to call his own.
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 6, 2005 18:41:28 GMT -5
I too think he has an active social and sex life. In part because he is a competitive guy. He's ambitous, obviously and driven, certainly. He and those he works with keep score of their convictions and misses. He's been able to move up so fast because he excels compared to others.
I think part of the reason he does love his job so much is that it pits his capabilities against those of others; crooks and collegues and he enjoys the battle. This is a personality trait that would try to 'get the girl' partly just to get her. Whether or not he envisioned anything serious from it might be beside the point for him initially. I'm not saying he thinks of women as trophies but that he thinks of himself as capable vs some other guy so why not?
WRT his mother, I believe she is cared for in a mental home. While this doesn't abbrogate his responsibility to her in any way, I do think it frees up his time day-to-day so that he is still able to have his own personal life.
Incidentally I don't think he'd care a toss if the women he dated had it difficult with him because of his mother. I think he'd be more inclined to expect they'd deal with it or else move on. In other words he wouldn't try to hide, excuse or even try to compromise on this part of his life.
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 6, 2005 18:51:42 GMT -5
I believe that she was from the episode "Maledictus". Thanks for the clarification. I guess it's time I watched some re-runs again!
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Post by Metella on Mar 6, 2005 20:38:45 GMT -5
Yep, Sirenna; you got the brush on the coat right & Goren's calling her on it & she admits to it .... but it was in her work studio, now here I falter - I think she was shooting some film or tv something; there were other workers about and lighting things (which may have looked a bit like a club atmosphere)
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Post by bdbrowski on Mar 7, 2005 15:06:59 GMT -5
The woman whom Goren said was flirting with him by brushing the lapel of his coat was a socialite from the troubled school that the transvestite and the daughter of the Russian mobster went to, and Goren thought she had been the girl kissing the mobster's daughter, when it was really the transvestite. The transvestite had killed his mother as a child, and then killed the mobster's daughter to prevent her from writing a book.
If I remember correctly, in "Badge", security officers who were former police officers were double dipping. They had a mole in the police department. Eames was reviewing a list of potential moles and mentioned, "Denise", and Goren said he would vouch for her; then Eames said, "You dog." I got the impression that it meant that Goren had dated or was dating a clerical worker in the police department. Maybe I was wrong. I did not really pay that much attention to it.
In "Sex Club", I thought Goren was too obvious in the way he was checking out the honies. Usually, one would hide something like that a little better, unless he were talking to his buddies about a girl. It was pretty immature and youthful, a side of him that we usually don't see, but basically exists in all of us.
And yes, we have seen Goren's eyes follow pretty women before. I can't remember episode names, however.
I don't think Goren's own sexuality is observed by the camera very often. That is not a comment on his character; it is a statement about the show. However, his personal experiences obviously influence his world view and his understanding of human behavior; it is often a factor in generating his insight into criminal behavior and in his interactions with witnesses and perpetrators.
-Beth
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Post by MelTex on Mar 7, 2005 16:33:28 GMT -5
I think Goren's sexuality is healthy enough, and I can definitely see him being competitive and having enough male ego to want to "get" a girl--if she stimulated him enough to do so. She'd have to stand out in several ways to catch his eye, then I have a lot of faith in his ability to be charming. I've seen it too many times--and his intensity in certain scenes with female interviewees has bordered on "Heat waves!" At least it seemed that way to me. His confidence is exuded in his manner and the way he carried on conversations with certain women...Bobby definitely does NOT need to "strut". ( Great way to put that Metella!) His machoism will probably never be called into question, ...by a smart man anyway. He's very adept at using his physical stature to intimidate when need be, and he's careful to turn it off when with women or children. All very attractive qualities that I think make Goren VERY appealing to women--leading to a private, yet healthy sex life.
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