Penn O'Hara
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Post by Penn O'Hara on Dec 27, 2006 15:29:45 GMT -5
I'm still amazed at how observant people are on this Board. You notice costume changes?
But don't they hire people on the set to run around with clipboards and keep track of actors and scenes and what they should be wearing or carrying in each, so these mistakes don't happen?
I'm still waiting to see this eppy again.
Penn.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 16, 2007 22:08:30 GMT -5
This was just on again, and of course I tuned in, even though I have it on my DVR.
There's a scene that doesn't make sense to me. When Goren & Eames interview the judge's mistress (the red-headed court reporter) she complain's that she was tired of being a "hole in a mattress" when it came to having sex with Judge Garret. Yet, Goren made a point of explaining that the judge had tennis elbow & a torn rotator cuff. Therefore, having sex in the missionary position for him would have been impossible.
Being a "hole in a mattress" implies sex in the missionary position, doesn't it?
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noc
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Post by noc on Jan 16, 2007 22:20:13 GMT -5
I took it to mean that he treated her like an object. I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned that, but I just took the phrase to mean an object and he was retro and obviously only cared about himself.
You have a point and that would be easy for the writer's to forget.
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 4, 2007 10:16:25 GMT -5
In our revisiting of Season 1 episodes (Thanks to Patcat) something about the scene in the courtroom with Eames writing that letter requesting a new partner rings false.
I've never noticed Eames being disturbed or concerned about Goren's interrogation techniques. In Yesterday, when he mentally destroys Jay, she is very much involved in the aria & obviously happy with Goren's techniques. If she wasn't thrilled with him lying to Gia in One, she sure didn't act it. And I wouldn't call the aria in one a display of "erratic & bizarre behavior" per her letter. In Crazy, she wasn't even there when he demoralized the psychiatrist, only Carver was present. And don't tell me that she minded his interrogation(with the size 13 shoe) with the lawyer in Jones? She wanted him to go down.
Come to think of it, the most bizarre interrogation technique I remember is in Season 3, dancing with the bank robber in Pax De Deaux. Supposedly this letter was written two years prior.
I know Rene Balcer put the Eames letter scene in the episode to address those critics who have always said that Goren was weird & bizarre. But I never viewed her as being so disturbed by him as to ask for another partner. Poetic license by Balcer, maybe?
Actually, Bishop was much more obviously bothered by Goren. I can see her writing a letter, saying that she doesn't want him as a permanent partner, more than I can see Eames doing it. Although even Bishop seemed more used to him by their last ep together.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Aug 4, 2007 10:42:58 GMT -5
I can think of one example of Goren's erratic and bizarre behavior. It was when he was questioning the man from the halfway house who had been operated on by the eye doctor. When Goren was in the interrogation room with him, he was quite animated and off the wall. Deakins was watching from behind the glass and made a remark as to how well he related to the suspect. Goren's response was that he had plenty of practice or something like that. The interrogation was rather short but you got to see how well Goren interacted with the guy.
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Post by deathroe on Aug 4, 2007 11:19:41 GMT -5
DonnaJo, that is such a good point. It really does seem possible to trace the current issues in the Eames-Goren partnership to that scene, as though the writers opened a Pandora's box. The shipper in me (I can't help it, I'm sorry, they're just too cute) loved that sequence. But you have illuminated for me the problems that it creates, for sure. I miss the old days when they were so perfectly in sync.
I would say that (the way I see Eames, at least) she keeps her cards very close to her chest. She seems to have learned not to give herself away at all, which is why the revelations in Wee Small Hours might come as a shock. I wonder if Goren was surprised? Outside their professional life, I sometimes suspect that he has more difficulty reading Eames than he does reading other people (take that scene in Albatross. He seems genuinely worried about what she's going to tell him. Of course, that is post The Wee Small Hours, so it may have been different before the whole show started changing ...)
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Post by Patcat on Aug 4, 2007 14:53:10 GMT -5
I think the interrogation of the homeless guy was from THE FAITHFUL. Eames says something about how well Goren handles the situation, and Goren replies that he's had a lot of practice.
I've always assumed that Eames' transfer request occured before we encounter the detectives. By the time of ONE, they're not completely in sync, but very close.
Patcat
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Post by musicwench on Aug 4, 2007 15:32:57 GMT -5
I agree with Patcat. I've always assumed the letter came before we encounter them in One. They don't have those awkward moments like with Bishop on their first case when the detective on the scene starts talking and looks at Goren and Bishop and asks which one of them takes notes or something and Goren replies they haven't worked that out yet, etc.
Whatever problems Eames had with Goren that prompted that letter were probably written earlier. They're still getting used to each other but they're not brand new to each other. She obviously wasn't disturbed by his antics in The Faithful with the homeless guy. She was even smiling along with Deakins when he made the Goren show comment.
I would assume Eames probably had as much difficulty adjusting to Goren as Bishop did.
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 4, 2007 16:14:02 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of the idea that the letter was written prior to our first meeting them. I know that they are rather new partners when "One" happens. It could have been within the first few days of their partnership. I would love to know more details about what transpired to make Eames withdraw her letter. Was it something especially redeeming that Goren did to make her contact Personnel & withdraw her request? Like save a child's life ala "Phantom?" Too bad CI doesn't do tastefully constructed flashbacks ( I guess that would be overly hokey )
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Post by deathroe on Aug 4, 2007 16:33:00 GMT -5
I've always assumed that the letter was earlier than the show--or right in the beginning episodes. There was Goren's atypical promise to the parents in "One" that they would find the killers, and then Eames' reaction--"How can you promise that?!"--suggesting that they didn't yet know each other as well.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Aug 5, 2007 12:57:13 GMT -5
Eames previous partner/s were most likely similar to her in their approach to investigating crime scenes or interrogating witnesses or perps. At some point she was paired with Goren and I bet in the beginning there were some less than smooth moments. A working partnership would almost be akin to a marriage. Imagine a marriage to someone you've never met or understand. It would take some time and effort from both parties to finally get to the team that we see now. Add in the emotional bumps along the road each detective has had over the series and I'm amazed it has gelled so well. They have had their ups and downs with each other but in the long run they're still a team...and a very effective one. That doesn't happen overnight.
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Post by sarahlee on Aug 5, 2007 15:14:02 GMT -5
Eames previous partner/s were most likely similar to her in their approach to investigating crime scenes or interrogating witnesses or perps. At some point she was paired with Goren and I bet in the beginning there were some less than smooth moments. A working partnership would almost be akin to a marriage. Imagine a marriage to someone you've never met or understand. It would take some time and effort from both parties to finally get to the team that we see now. Add in the emotional bumps along the road each detective has had over the series and I'm amazed it has gelled so well. They have had their ups and downs with each other but in the long run they're still a team...and a very effective one. That doesn't happen overnight. Excellent analogy! I've always imaginined that first time in the car with Goren/Eames...did they flip for the keys? Did Bobby open the passenger door for her? If Bobby drove, is Alex a backseat driver? Is Bobby a good driver, or does he get distracted by all the interesting signs?
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Post by Summerfield on Jan 30, 2008 17:42:15 GMT -5
I don't think this has been mentioned, but...LOL! Played a trivia game the other night where we had to match the artist with the songs/album. Our team really sucked at this one, but we gained 900 points because the last question mentioned "In The Wee Small Hours." I knew it was Sinatra from LOCI. Tell me television isn't educational! By the way, how many of you knew that? Clever writers.
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Post by Jefferaldo on Mar 19, 2008 23:03:21 GMT -5
I have recently been going thru the episodes I have recorded in HD and noticed a little tidbit I haven't seen mentioned before. In the car before Faith Yancy runs out for make up, she is reading a book "Devil's Embrace" by Raoul Sabotelli. Here are two images I captured: Image OneImage TwoETA: For those that don't remember, Sabotelli is the judge from season 1 episode "Semi-Professional" which was also written by Stephanie SenGupta
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Post by Summerfield on Mar 20, 2008 7:18:43 GMT -5
;D Nice find. Sabotelli must have written it in prison.
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